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Store video catches cop bullying woman
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20090720_Store_video_catches_cop_bullying_woman.html?viewAll=y ^ | Mon, Jul. 20, 2009 | DAVE DAVIES

Posted on 07/20/2009 6:03:46 AM PDT by grjr21

Edited on 07/20/2009 6:29:15 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WHEN AGNES LAWLESS and three friends were inside a Lukoil convenience store in the Northeast at 3 a.m. last August, they'd all but forgotten the fender-bender in which they'd been involved moments earlier.

There was little damage, and the other driver had left the scene, near Northeast Philadelphia Airport.


(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: badcopnodonut; bluewallofsilence; codeofsilence; coverup; criminals; cultureofcorruption; destroyevidence; donutwatch; jackbootedthugs; jbt; jbts; lping; philadelphia; philadelphiathugs; policestate; streetganginblue; thugswithbadges; thugwithabadge; urlisnotthesource
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To: grjr21
The clerk on duty the night that Lopez confronted Lawless told investigators that three times after the incident, police officers spoke with him about the security tape and that two asked if he would erase it.

An Internal Affairs investigation found no misconduct among officers who spoke with the clerk about the tape.

Of course they didn't -- there was no videotape of the officers trying to get him to erase the original videotape.

There's no law anywhere in that department, top to bottom.

61 posted on 07/20/2009 7:18:43 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Correct on many levels. Given that he was from a Hispanic cultural matrix, he will see women differently than will a whiten American.

Hispanics come from a culture shaped by Spain. Spain was shaped by first European kings and then Muslim Conquest for hundreds of years. Nothing in Spanish culture is predicated upon the individual Hispanic having freedom/security in person and property.

Ubermensch Lopez, when faced with the possibility of increased insurance costs from his son’s accident liability, did what often is done in Hispanic cultures - he used the corruption button.

Culture counts. Repeat, culture counts.

Those who do not fully accept the Constitution are, and willfully remain, foreigners. As such, they must not be allowed power over anyone who is an American. Ever.

Lest anyone think this gives carte blanche to American born citizens who do not support the Constitution, guess again. Being American means accepting and integrating into ones behavior, the American social contract.

Americans do not grab young ladies by teh neck, throw them around, and abuse their authority.

PS Check out the DA and you will also find a person who, at their core, does not accept the Constitution and has violated his/hers/its oath of office. Take that to the bank.


62 posted on 07/20/2009 7:18:58 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Theophilus

“She’s a fool with a fool’s temper. The LEO should be fired and prosecuted for coming into that scene the way he did with his gun drawn and shoving people around. But the way she reacted with her hysterics was very dangerous for herself and her companions”

Oh Really, and how exactly would you react when someone unexpectedly grabs you by the neck and shoves a gun in your face?


63 posted on 07/20/2009 7:24:38 AM PDT by Colvin (Harry Reid is a sap sucking idiot.)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Ironcially, the a TV news piece last night describing the large applicant pools to the police force and how much better qualified they are than in the past.

Conspicuously white, so the minority will still keep his job.


64 posted on 07/20/2009 7:26:07 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (I once had an awkward moment just to see how it felt.)
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To: GladesGuru

You make a good case for Vigilante-style justice.

Our government no longer respects the law, but uses it to bludgeon those who question or disagree with it... that is not Justice.


65 posted on 07/20/2009 7:27:58 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Houghton M.; MrB

That was a VERY long way of saying, ‘I don’t have one’.


66 posted on 07/20/2009 7:28:14 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries for the American farmer.)
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To: Theophilus

>She’s a fool with a fool’s temper.

She was assaulted from behind! She then tried to defend herself from an unknown attacker!

Even when deployed in Iraq, part of the ROE was “You always have the right to defend yourself.”; give me a good reason that this young woman shouldn’t also have that right.


67 posted on 07/20/2009 7:33:06 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: grjr21

Have to wonder if Lopez Jr. still has his carry permit.

He joined in the assault. None of us would still have ours if we attacked someone.


68 posted on 07/20/2009 7:36:29 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (I once had an awkward moment just to see how it felt.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Respectfully, I can’t find the word “vigilante” in my post.

What I did attempt to make clear is the duty of each citizen to understand the Constitution, and to be vigilant in his watching his public servants to prevent their tendency to abuse the power the citizens have delegated to said public servant.

Interestingly, the shoulder patch on the uniform of all Montana Highway Patrol has, at the bottom, 7-3-77.

Those numbers refer to the size hole in which criminals were buried.

Tolerance of those unwilling to regulate their own behavior was pushed by commies/socialists/anarchists as a method of creating societal unrest, breaking confidence in the American system - look on it as Cloward-Piven strategy, but before either Cloward or Piven was whelped.


69 posted on 07/20/2009 7:37:26 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Peter Horry
it is a rehash of the initial events (that occurred almost a year ago) plus information about the Internal Affairs investigation (when was it concluded)

It  wasn't a story a year ago it was just another arrest by the PPD. and I'd bet the rent that IA never announced the results.

From the story  ....  Lawless' attorney, Alan Yatvin, said that he was exploring a civil suit on her behalf.

Rounding  up the usual suspects

but nothing about the experience of the officer nor his record, I doubt this level of rage occurred (out of the blue) without previous incidents.

That is rather strange  , I wondered about that too

It seem, quite often, that police departments are reluctant to take action against an officer because the fear this will be seen as an admission of liability. Instead they choose to reinstate someone who clearly does not have the temperament to be a police officer and whose action appears to be criminal. The probability of another incident is very high.

I'm with you on that.



70 posted on 07/20/2009 7:40:15 AM PDT by grjr21
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To: grjr21

It is Philadelphia.


71 posted on 07/20/2009 7:44:21 AM PDT by verity
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To: GladesGuru

You didn’t. But read my post 57; and factor in that the prosecuting-power against corruption seems to be waning and waning:
— refusal of the USSC to hear a case on the government invalidation of contractually-obligated bonds [GM/Chrysler].
— refusal of the courts to allow slander civil suits against Murtha from the Hadathia Marines [saying that law protecting federal employees in execution of their office applied].
— refusal of ANYONE to press Treason charges on Murtha; he went on national television to slander and condemn warriors in a war-zone of crimes without either trial or investigation AND FURTHER affirmed/legitimized the [false] claims of the enemies of the USA.

There are many who believe civil war is coming. And, honestly without Justice and accountability on/from our leaders, it is almost certain.


72 posted on 07/20/2009 7:48:11 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Theophilus
She's a fool with a fool's temper. The LEO should be fired and prosecuted for coming into that scene the way he did with his gun drawn and shoving people around. But the way she reacted with her hysterics was very dangerous for herself and her companions.

That is idiotic. Sorry, but if someone grabs a female by her neck from behind, and shoves a gun in her face, he deserves a lot more than a little pushing back. He deserves to have his family jewels smashed into a thin red paste by a well-placed knee, followed immediately by a swift kick to the face with a steel-toed boot.

Badge or not. Uniform or not.

It's probably a good thing for both "Officer" Lopez and myself that I wasn't present in the store and had any sort of blunt object near to hand.

73 posted on 07/20/2009 7:56:21 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: grjr21
That JBST's sidearm should have never left its holster. At no time was there a threat to anyone requiring the application of deadly force.

At the very minimum, the LEO should be charged with ADW. And his punk son should get a heavy aggravated assault charge for manhandling the girl like he did.

BTW, in every jurisdiction I have experienced, the driver in the rear is ALWAYS at fault in a rear-end collision. The cop and his punk kid need to be under the jail.

74 posted on 07/20/2009 7:56:53 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Badge-lappers on deck in 3... 2... 1...


75 posted on 07/20/2009 8:02:18 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Texan. Monarchist. Any questions?)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Right, because the way he/she framed it, it described an abuse of any system. It combined systemic (structure of land ownership) with abuse—at mercy of whim.

Whims are by definition abusive.

So, if you need a single word phrase: abuse of power.

Which is what I said originally was what happened at the Philalphia convenience store.

And what my interlocutor tried to shove under the label “feudal.”

Satisfied?


76 posted on 07/20/2009 8:21:08 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Colvin

This should bring into question ANY conviction based on his testamony. All of the past cases should be up for review.


77 posted on 07/20/2009 8:26:15 AM PDT by Colvin (Harry Reid is a sap sucking idiot.)
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To: Houghton M.
What the heck are you talking about? Of course honor is needed in public service. Feudalism is not generally a word used to describe honorable governance. No one uses it for that.

Per dictionary.com...
feu·dal·ism (fyōōd'l-Ä­z'É™m) n. A political and economic system of Europe from the 9th to about the 15th century, based on the holding of all land in fief or fee and the resulting relation of lord to vassal and characterized by homage, legal and military service of tenants, and forfeiture. A political, economic, or social order resembling this medieval system.

As you can see it is a term used to describe a system where by one class of people owns and controls the land and the underclasses support and server them. Also the upper classes are mutually supporting through various bonds of loyalty. This perfectly describes a a system where by cops have the ability to abuse regular citizens. The citizens have only a feeble ability to address grievances and the other members of the over caste mutually protect each other. Sure the IDEA of honor and what was rampant in the medieval system but that does not change that if a Lord abused a peasant the peasant had little or no recourse and the other Lords would help him cover it up.

That is what I said. I have no idea what you are talking about with "you take a shotgun blast at all exercise of power." or "You are the romantic because you limpwristedly wave your hand at the problem instead of analyzing it"

I am not talking about all use of power or authority. I was simply stating that a use of power by a protected class of people can be likened to Feudalism by the standard definition of the word. Trying to flower things up with honor is irrelevant to my point. It is not about "honor and loyalty and virtue and decency". My point was not about those concepts. It is about the rule of law and accountability. Without those 'honor' and 'loyalty' only mean what the ruling class decides they mean.


78 posted on 07/20/2009 8:29:47 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Colvin
Oh Really, and how exactly would you react when someone unexpectedly grabs you by the neck and shoves a gun in your face?

*blam**blam**blam**blam*
79 posted on 07/20/2009 8:34:33 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Houghton M.

So, what IS that word?


80 posted on 07/20/2009 8:35:47 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries for the American farmer.)
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