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The Obama Haters' Next Move (Giuliani Speechwriter compares Orly Taitz to Sen. Joe McCarthy)
The Daily Beast ^ | July 20, 2009 | John Avlon

Posted on 07/20/2009 1:06:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

One hundred seventy soldiers may be on the verge of refusing to serve—because their president might not be a natural-born citizen. Welcome to the world of the Birthers, right-wing conspiracy theorists whose anti-Obama movement is spreading to Congress.

Last week, a U.S. Army major named Stefan Frederick Cook made news when he refused deployment to Afghanistan on the grounds that President Barack Obama might not be a natural-born citizen and therefore is constitutionally ineligible to give orders as commander in chief. Now Cook’s lawyer says she has 170 more soldiers willing to file similar protests against the president.

Welcome to the world of the “Birthers”—right-wing conspiracy theorists committed to undoing the 2008 presidential election by trying to prove that Barack Obama was not born in the United States. The movement is evidence that Obama Derangement Syndrome is going viral from the far right, proliferating beyond fringe-festival Internet sites. It’s in danger of a quiet mainstreaming along partisan lines—reaching into talk radio, cable news, the armed services, and even the halls of Congress.

The 170 number thrown out by Cook’s lawyer has the feel of Joe McCarthy’s claim that he had a list of 205 communists working in Harry Truman’s State Department—i.e. pseudo-specific, intentionally inflammatory, and ultimately bogus. But what’s not in question is the nine Republican congressmen who have co-sponsored a bill that, in response to this much-debunked conspiracy theory, would require presidential campaigns to provide “a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate.”

Asked whether Obama “is a U.S. citizen,” bill co-sponsor Randy Neugebauer, a Texas Republican, replied: “I don’t know. I’ve never seen him produce documents that would say one way or another.”

Major Cook—a distinguished combat veteran—appears to have been a willing pawn in the Birthers’ efforts to bring attention to their cause. He re-enlisted as a reservist in May, with the apparent intention of carrying out this political performance-art litigation. When the military shrugged and said he didn’t have to go to AfPak (issuing a statement saying, "This in no way validates any of the outlandish claims made by Major Cook") and a judge threw out the case, Cook’s legal team celebrated it as a smoking-gun victory. WorldNetDaily—whose editor and CEO has been a major supporter of Birther petition efforts and roadside billboards—trumpeted it as “Bombshell: Orders Revoked for Soldier Challenging Prez.”

In the wake of this “success,” Cook’s lawyer, Dr. Orly Taitz, and her frequent plaintiff, Ambassador Alan Keyes, appeared on CNN to debate the issue. I’d hit the Birthers in my “Wingnut Watch” segment on the Campbell Brown show earlier in the week and was asked to counter their claims alongside New York Daily News columnist Errol Louis.

Before going on air, Keyes had his eyes closed as if in prayer while Taitz was jumpy and pie-eyed, like a patient off her meds. Anchor Kitty Pilgrim then went through a thorough 3-1/2 minute dismantling of the Birther arguments, including the long-ago issuance of Obama’s August 1961 certificate of live birth, its validation by Hawaii’s Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, and two birth announcements published in Honolulu papers. (Both FactCheck.org and Snopes have published detailed investigations and refutations of the non-scandal.)

Asked what more he needed to be convinced, Keyes’ response was an instant classic in the clueless overconfidence of conspiracy theorists: “Some evidence.”

Keyes can be considered patient zero in the spread of Obama Derangement Syndrome. The one-time protégé of Reagan U.N. Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick and three-time presidential candidate was recruited to run against then-state Senator Barack Obama in 2004 for the Illinois U.S. Senate seat, despite the fact that Keyes lived in Maryland. (That the GOP could not find an African-American candidate to run in all of Illinois is its own evidence in the Party of Lincoln’s fall.)

In his book Audacity of Hope, Obama recounts Keyes’ campaign claim that “Christ would not vote for Barack Obama.” The tone went downhill from there.

Keyes has only ratcheted up his rhetoric since then, both in his 2008 third-party campaign for the presidency and in February 2009 comments outside a Nebraska antiabortion fundraiser.

“Obama is a radical communist, and I think it is becoming clear. That is what I told people in Illinois and now everybody realizes it’s true,” Keyes told a reporter from local station KHAS-TV. “He is going to destroy this country, and we are either going to stop him or the United States of America is going to cease to exist.”

While Keyes calls Obama a radical communist, Taitz reaches for the opposite end of the ideological spectrum, repeatedly referring to the Obama administration as the “Gestapo-SS establishment” on her blog. She extends the metaphor with an ugly call for investigation and execution: “They all should and would be tried in Nurenberg (sic) style trials for harassing, intimidating, blackmailing and terrorizing fellow citizens, for defrauding the whole country. Patriots of this country didn’t fight and defeat Nazi Germany to end up with Obamas, McCuskill (sic), Soros, Brunner and the rest of this squad.”

Keyes and Taitz are connected by their relationship to Orange County Baptist Pastor Wiley Drake, who served as Keyes’ VP nominee in 2008 and Taitz’s first plaintiff in the Birther lawsuits. If the name sounds familiar, it’s because a few months ago Drake announced that he was praying for Obama’s death after his prayers for the death of Kansas abortionist George Tiller were “answered.” He has been offering “imprecatory prayers” against “the usurper that is in the White House…B. Hussein Obama.”

It’s the “usurper” line that ties the whole deranged tale together. Since the 2008 campaign, the far right has ginned up a steady stream of Internet rumors and rhetoric that are variations on the idea that Obama is fundamentally un-American. These range from “Obama is the Antichrist” emails passed on by people, including a South Carolina mayor, to the “Obama is a Manchurian candidate” theories posited by WorldNet Daily, among others. The underlying theme is not just paranoid politics, where a center-left president is called a socialist and then communist, but also discomfort with the idea of an African-American president—especially one who emerged from obscurity so quickly that there must be a sinister conspiracy at work.

All this might be laughable, if there weren’t deadly serious hyper-partisan hatred behind it all. There is plenty to debate over the administration’s policies, but Obama Derangement Syndrome is not healthy for our democracy—it is pathological hatred of the president posing as patriotism.

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John P. Avlon is the author of Independent Nation: How Centrists Can Change American Politics. He writes a weekly column for The Daily Beast. Previously, he served as chief speechwriter for New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and was a columnist and associate editor for The New York Sun.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho; bho44; birthcertificate; certifigate; gop; military; obama; ods; orlytaitz; stefancook; usurper
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To: nathanbedford
When I got my job, I had to produce a certified copy of my birth certificate, which it turns out, I didn't have. I was able to get a certified copy of my birth certificate over the Internet with very little trouble. I later found out that I could have actually gotten it faster and cheaper had I just contacted the county office or courthouse where I was born and requested a copy directly from there (about 1/3 the price, and 1/3 the time).

Heck, illegal aliens are able to get forged birth certificates, and Obama won't produce anything?

Mark

81 posted on 07/20/2009 5:30:22 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah I have a few:

What is so wrong with finding out if Obama is in fact eligible to be our president? All that it requires is a birth certificate period.

McCarthy was not so far off the mark was he?

I as an American Citizen born and raised has a right to know this.

Obama has no paper trail. Nada. How many presidents have been elected this way? (dead people voting notwithstanding).

Why won’t he just produce his birth certificate and lets be done with it?

Why? Because he can’t.


82 posted on 07/20/2009 5:39:20 AM PDT by waxer1 ( "The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests." -Andrew Jackson)
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To: woodyman

I’ve never seen this explained. BTW, when exactly did he get a US passport? Does anyone even know? I’m not even sure he traveled to Indonesia as a child on a US passport. He may have been issued an indonesian passport on his adoptive father’s request, or he may have had a Kenyan/UK Colonial passport issued on the strnegth of his Kenyan colonial status.

Obama’s passport history is another deeply held secret.


83 posted on 07/20/2009 5:42:36 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: iopscusa

Thank you for both the resources. Will read them.


84 posted on 07/20/2009 5:47:42 AM PDT by VicVega (Join Jihad, get captured by the US and resettled in the best places in the world. I love the USA)
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To: Ann Archy

I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if someone who worked at the hospital where my daughter was born remembered her. At the time, my husband and I were very blonde and here comes this 9 + lb. baby with the thickest head of black ringlets you ever saw. The nurses would peek into my room and be shocked that I was the mother. They put her front and center in the nursery with little bows in her hair. She turned into a blonde within the year.
Every time I had a baby I had a roomate. Did O’s mom have a private room? There would have to be SOMEONE who would remember this family.


85 posted on 07/20/2009 5:50:54 AM PDT by surrey
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To: MarkL
I have no idea if Obama is a natural born citizen of the USA, but it would certainly be easy enough to verify.

No actual verification is necessary. Obama is patently not a Natural Born Citizen even according to the most favorable version of the circumstances of his birth, as admitted by Obama himself.

From Orly Taitz's Pleadings in Keyes et al v. Obama et al:

21. Question 10: What sources should be used in support of authoritative construction of the language of the United States Constitution, aside from the statutory law of the United States as enacted by Congress pursuant to the Constitution and the opinions of the Supreme Court, especially when addressing questions of first impression such as those raised in this complaint?

22. Plaintiffs ask this Court to declare and adjudge that the framers of the constitution used, and that this Court must therefore apply in this case of first impression, the definition of the Natural Born Citizen contained in “The Law of Nations or, Principles of the Law of Nature, applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns” by the Swiss philosopher and jurist Emmerich De Vattel:

“…natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owns to its own preservation: and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see, whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for if he is born there of a foreigner, it will only be the place of his birth, and not his country”.

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

23. This Court should apply the De Vattel definition used by the framers of the constitution, defining “Natural Born Citizen” for following reasons:

24. De Vattel’s treatise existed at the time of the creation of the Constitution, as it was published in 1757 and was readily available to the framers

25. Emmerich de Vattel’s was widely quoted by the framers of the constitution, for example, by Hamilton, Jay, and Madison “Publius” in the Federalist Papers.

26. His book provides an exact and contemporaneous definition for the term used “Natural Born Citizen”

27. De Vattel fully corresponds to the well-known statements by the framers of the Constitution

28. The Vattel definition was used as a basis for the Senate resolution 511 of 2008, when Senator McCain was found to be a Natural Born Citizen, based on the fact that he was born in the zone of the Panama canal, US territory at a time and both of his parents were US citizens.

29. Apparently during the Constitutional Convention, John Jay wrote on July 25, 1787 to George Washington:

“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise or reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of National government; and to declare expressly that the commander in chief of the American Army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any but a natural born citizen”

30. In explaining the meaning of Natural Born Citizen, a principal framer of the 14th amendment, which redefined citizenship under the Constitution, John Armor Bingham explained that the phrase referred to “every human being born in the jurisdiction of the United States to parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty”. (Emphasis added).

31. As Obama’s East African father owed (by reason of his birth and as a matter of international law) allegiance to British crown (whether or not he professed any), Obama was not a Natural born citizen and does not qualify for presidency. Dual Nationality is a rather new concept that did not exist at the time of creation of the Constitution and Plaintiffs submit that the definition used and the contemporaneous statements of the framers show a desire to exclude from the group of Natural Born Citizens anyone, with allegiance to other sovereignties at birth.

Case closed.

86 posted on 07/20/2009 6:00:10 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; patriot08

Just let these liars keep talking. They will hang by their words once this comes out.

Orly Taitz wbsite has a great utube video on it this morning. Have you seen it?


87 posted on 07/20/2009 6:09:39 AM PDT by circumbendibus (Where's the Birth Certificate?)
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To: sushiman
McCarthy was right ...Keyes in right ...Show us the birth certificate ; college records ; passport used to go to Pakistan ...Nothing to hide nothing to lose .

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A look at a Hawaii 1961 blank birth certificate.

A poster at World Net Daily found some Hawaii government documents from 1961.

Included in the documents that the WND poster found is a standard 1961 blank birth certificate.

Here is what the WND poster wrote:

"RE: Race

Go to the following and download the 1961 document http://www.nber.org/vital-statistics/historical/

here is a direct link to the file:

http://www.nber.org/vital-statistics/historical/nat61_1.CV.pdf

then go to the Technical Appendix, Section 5 and then on page 231 on race and color.

The Birth Certificate is based on a standard. I have been saying this for months. The State of Hawaii has to follow the CDC guidelines as this data is compiled for other statics."

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This is me, mirse, writing: When you see the document above on your monitor screen, follow these directions to see the 1961 blank birth certificate:

1. Left side: Look for "Section 5: Technical Appendix"

2. Then go to Right side: Look for "Standard certificate page 5.3"

3. Note: On my computer, it is page 228 of 246, while on the document itself, it is page 5.3.

4. As I studied the 1961 blank birth certificate, I saw potential political minefields if Obama's long form birth certificate is ever released by Hawaii.

5. Let me emphasize this: I don't want Obama to release his long form birth certificate. I want the Hawaii government to release it, because I don't trust anything that the Obama camp releases.

6. My point is this: I don't want anyone in the Obama camp to touch Obama's long form birth certificate once the Hawaii government releases it. Again, I don't want anyone in the Obama camp to touch the long form birth certificate before it is released to the public.

7. Again, I saw a few items in the 1961 blank Hawaii birth certificate that may be serious problems for Obama.

8. NOTE: The items on the birth certificate are numbered from 1 through 23.

9. Item 2: "Usual Residence of Mother"

c. City, town, or location"

d.Street Address

e. My point is this: If the information in the above items on Obama's long form birth certificate does not match the information that is found in the newspaper listing of Obama's birth that the pro-Obama camp brags about, then Obama has some serious explaining to do.

10. Father:

11. Item 8. Color or Race

Problem: If the Race listed is different from the COLB birth certificate that the Obama camp displayed on Obama's fight the smears site during the campaign---"African" was listed---then Obama and Hawaii officials have a lot of very serious explaining to do.

12. Mother: Item "Mother's Mailing Address"

13. If mother's mailing address is different from the address listed in the newspaper list of births, then, again, Obama and Hawaii officials have some explaining to do.

14. Information about doctor:

a. Item 18a. Signature

b. Item 18b. Attendant at birth: md do midwife other(specify)

c. Item 18c. Address

d. Item 18d: Date signed

e. The items about the doctor are very importnt, because if no such doctor exists, then Obama and his camp have some serious explaining to do.

15. Item 20: Registrar's signed signature

16. Item 21: Date on which given name added

17. In summary, I say this: If Obama has no reasonable explanation as to why item details on his long form birth certificate are different from what we have been led to believe during the presidential campaign---for instance, he has no explanation as to why the race of his father is different on the long form birth certificate than it is on the COLB short form birth certificate that appeared on his official fight the smears site----then Obama is in a lot of very serious political and maybe even criminal trouble.

NOTE: I tried to post a copy of a blank 1961 Hawaii birth certificate from the site at the beginning of this message, but I couldn't do it, because it is in pdf format.

If anyone out there can post a copy of the 1961 Hawaii blank birth certificate using the site at the beginning of this message, I would appreciate it.

88 posted on 07/20/2009 6:26:40 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
One hundred seventy soldiers may be on the verge of refusing to serve—because their president might not be a natural-born citizen.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

They want to know if their orders are **LAWFUL**!!!

They are willing, able, and ready to serve and follow **LAWFUL** orders.

I can't stand these lying Marixst journalists.

( Yes, I am shouting!)

89 posted on 07/20/2009 6:34:05 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Haven’t you ever heard of HIPPA. It is a federal law which prohibits the release of any medical information about any patient to anyone without the patient’s specific express written consent.

As to the name Obama being memorable in Hawaii, you are way off base. The ethnic breakdown of Hawaii is as follows: Japanese, 20%, Filipino, 17%, Hawaiian, 17%, White 18%, Chinese, 8%, Vietnamese, 4%, African-American, 3%, Korean, 3%, Unspecified, 10%. Common names in Hawaii would be more like Yamaguchi, Kamahamaha, Ming, Corazon, not Smith or Jones. Obama would not have phased anyone. 72% of the people of Hawaii are people of color, Barak’s tan complexion would not have been memorable.

You birthers need to do some honest fact checking instead of relying on innuendo, rumor, wishful thinking, tarot cards and ouija boards.


90 posted on 07/20/2009 6:43:52 AM PDT by Cymraeg
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To: All
ONE individual has almost single handedly brought Obama's inelgibility to U.S and world wide attention. Image and video hosting by TinyPic This brave little Russian refugee lady has put her life on hold- and in danger to try to save YOUR country. She flies all over the U.S. serving papers, giving speeches, meeting with various officials and giving interviews. This involves great expense, and it is reported that Dr. Orly is over $8,000 in debt from using her own funds in her fight to prove Obama's ineligibility. She needs researchers, lawyers and other volunteers. Please do what you can to help her. http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ Dr. Orly has added renouned attorney, Stephen Pidgeon as her assistant: http://stephenpidgeon.com/ http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2816
91 posted on 07/20/2009 6:58:26 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: All

Dr. Orly’s website and PayPal:

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/

Dr. Orly has added renouned attorney, Stephen Pidgeon as her assistant:
http://stephenpidgeon.com/
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2816


92 posted on 07/20/2009 6:59:48 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: surrey

It’s not like everyday there is a white woman with a VERY BLACK husband from KENYA having a baby....SOMEONE SHOULD REMEMBER!


93 posted on 07/20/2009 7:00:30 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Easy to solve. Tell the idiot who wrote this that the only thing Bozo the WH clown has to do is publish, with verification, his long form BC. It would all go away.

Instead of making out anyone who wants to see it as the trouble makers, point out the real trouble makers, the Bozo in chief and his crew.

They all act as if somehow this is something that can't be disproved but anyone wanting to see the BC is just a luny, "What? The President actually have to show a BC? How gauche!".

Time to keep the pressure on, I think the military movement is scaring the he** out of them.

94 posted on 07/20/2009 7:46:32 AM PDT by calex59 (I, me, myself, am actually Jim Thompson)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I would suggest that this wholly uninformed writer pick up a copy of “Blacklisted by History” by Stanton Evans. He might think twice about using Joe McCarthy as his bete noir... Probably not though.


95 posted on 07/20/2009 7:47:02 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: Cymraeg
You birthers need to do some honest fact checking instead of relying on innuendo, rumor, wishful thinking, tarot cards and ouija boards.

You non birthers need to stop using inuendo and smears as valid arguments. All of your BS about the name being familiar is not true. Also, blacks are not common in Hawaii, especially back in 1961. As you pointed out, the most common names would be Hawaiian and Japanese, not Kenyan. However, mostly you are ignoring the most vital piece of evidence, the long form BC has never been shown, in fact the only document shown was proved to be fake.

President has to meet certain criteria to be President. One of them is to be a Natural born citizen. He can make this all go away by simply showing it, as he required, by the simple fact the constitution sets the natural born citizen quailfication as one of the criteria,by law to do.

McCain had to show his before the election but somehow the dimwit "birthers" never bothered to push for Bozo to show his.

Calling people "birthers" and accusing them of using voodoo and other types of "magic" to prove their points isn't going to make this go away. Get used to it.

96 posted on 07/20/2009 7:53:52 AM PDT by calex59 (I, me, myself, am actually Jim Thompson)
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To: highlander_UW
Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.



Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”(Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually. Ah here is the cached version.)

Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipedia 2.4.3Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage. As to the famous newsclipping in Hawaii that states that bama was born there in 1961--there is evidence to suggest that the house named as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by someone else besides his parents. Once again, Just one piece of evidence could easily be dismissed. It is the accumulation of evidence that is troubling.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Obama is going to Africa. Will he visit Kenya? Nope. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

The thing has become a joke in washington. Joe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.

After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "

From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.

Les Kinsolving asked the Presidential Press Secretary Gibbs to release the long form birth certificate. The press secretary suggested mockingly that the copy of the short form birth certificate supplied online is Obama's long form birth certificate. (Not so.However, as of July 2009 seven months after the election hawaii changed their rules to make "certifcations of live birth" legal.)There is even evidence to suggest the online "certification of live birth"--ie not a birth certificate--obama presented... was a forgery. See the press conference out take here.

The White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts.

Rush Limbaugh joked several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."

Even the liberal LA Times on June 30, 2009 in an article dripping with contempt--conceded that the thing Obama's people posted online was "technically... not a birth certificate".

A bill in the US congress with five backers currently -- calls for future presidential candidates to be required to show a birth certificate. Ho
97 posted on 07/20/2009 8:46:08 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: SUSSA
A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.

"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."

While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya
There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in Kenya but rather that he is a "son of this village". However, witnesses insist that she said she was present at obama's birth in Kenya. If taken alone, perhaps she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.

Again here is a pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:

HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA

Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.

(Applause)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.



Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

The American Thinker explains here why the short form that Obama released is not sufficient for Hawaii. There is evidence to suggest that the home named in the newspaper archived article as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by a couple not Obama's parents. Even the Honalulu Advertiser has a different address of record for Obama's father than the one listed newspaper birth listing. The hospital where Obama claims he was born--refuses to either confirm or deny that he was in fact born there--and that despite the fact that Obama has said he was born there in writing--and presented the hospital a memo to that effect...right after he was elected. What's more newspaper accounts of his birth place him in other hospitals around Hawaii. None of these will comment either.

Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers over 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Why bother. The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that. Here's a footnoted timeline of obama's life 1961-2008. Its especially helpful to look at 1961 and 2008. Of interest is this: Interesting timeline with footnotes of obama's life.

of note

On April 10, 2008 Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduces Senate Resolution S. Res. 511 to “recognize that John Sidney McCain is a natural born citizen.” The resolution is allegedly meant to clarify that McCain is eligible to be President even though he was born in Panama. Because McCain’s parents were both Americans and he was born in Panama because his father was stationed there while in the military, existing law already covers McCain and he is eligible to be President. McCaskill’s resolution thus serves no purpose – except that language is included to try and provide a “blanket cover” for other foreign born candidates without military backgrounds, in order to enable Obama to be eligible to be President. This is the language that Obama inserted “Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;” This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain [The language is inserted by Obama.][301,303]

301# http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/#more-3844

303 # http://watchdog.net/b/us/110/sr511

Obama's Senate efforts to airbrush his past were augmented by his top Intelligence Advisor in March 2008. Obama's Intelligence Adviser Involved in Security Breach. Obama’s top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, heads a firm that was cited in March [2008] for breaching sensitive files in the State Department’s passport office, according to a State Department Inspector General’s report released this past July. The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennan’s firm, The Analysis Corp., which has earned millions of dollars providing intelligence-related consulting services to federal agencies and private companies. During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation. Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to “cauterize” the records of potentially embarrassing information. In this video of Obama's reaction to the break in...he says twice that his reason for being concerned about the matter is not that he is concerned about what the records may reveal about himself...but rather etc. One denial is ok. Two denials in short order is of a piece with the other anomolies in his record.
98 posted on 07/20/2009 8:47:08 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hospital staff is forbidden to divulge any info without consent. They could and should be fired for doing so.

I think he probably was born in HI, but I also believe I am entitled to see his BC from the hospital that proves it.

He is hiding something that proves he is disqualified, in addition to the disqualifying fact that he was born a British citizen by right of his father.


99 posted on 07/20/2009 8:54:49 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama Derangement Syndrome is not healthy for our democracy—it is pathological hatred of the president posing as patriotism.

Bush Derangement Syndrome on the other hand was healthy because it was patriotism posing as pathological hatred.

/S


100 posted on 07/20/2009 9:02:14 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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