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To: achilles2000

As a veteran of the Vietnam War from August of 1969 to January of 1971, serving as an infantry squad leader in a mechanized infantry company, and with another unit as a tank commander on an M48A3 tank; I am keenly interested in the distortions, lies, and half truths perpetuated about the Vietnam war by many of those who helped to undermine the US effort there. Much of the conventional understanding of the US involvement in the South East Asian conflict indicates a general disapproval of the United States war effort, and an acceptance of the oft regurgitated leftist conventional wisdom as to it’s historical course and outcome. That is painting the American war effort in Vietnam as misguided at best and an imperialistic effort to establish SE Asian capitalistic hegemony at worst. The antiwar left is portrayed as being noble and idealistic rather than populated by a hard core that actively hoped and worked for a US defeat, the US government as destructive of basic civil liberties in its attempt to monitor their activities, and the North Vietnamese and Vietcong as nationalists who wished to preserve their unique culture against an imperialistic onslaught. The South Vietnamese government’s struggle to survive a ruthless Communist assault while engaging in an unwarranted assault on human rights .while ignoring the numerous genocidal atrocities of the Vietcong (VC) and North Vietnamese Army (NVA) is also part of this narrative. The deceptive reporting of the Tet Offensive, exemplified by the distortive omissions of Walter Cronkite and which was the Communist’s worse defeat among numberless hundreds of others was probably the most grievous deceit perpetuated by the Press.

The reason that the United States opposed nationwide elections that were to be held in accordance with the 1954 Geneva accords was due to the murder and intimidation campaigns carried out by Ho Chi Minh. This fact is in Professor R. J. Runnel’s book Death by Government, in which he cites a low estimate of 15,000 and a high figure of 500,000 people in the “murder by quota” campaign directed by the North Vietnamese Communist Party Politburo that would have made the election a corrupt mockery. This campaign stipulated that 5% of the people living in each village and hamlet had to be liquidated, preferably those identified as members of the “ruling class.” All told says Runnel, between 1953 and 1956 it is likely that the Communists killed 195,000 to 865,000 North Vietnamese. These were non combatant men, women, and children, and hardly represent evidence of the moral high ground claimed by many in the antiwar movement. In 1956, high Communist official Nguyen Manh Tuong admitted that “while destroying the landowning class, we condemned numberless old people and children to a horrible death.” The same genocidal pattern became the Communists’ standard operating procedure in the South too. This was unequivocally demonstrated by the Hue Massacre, which the press did a great deal to downplay in its reporting of the Tet Offensive of 1968.

The National Liberation Front was the creation of the North Vietnamese Third Party Congress of September 1960, completely directed from North Vietnam. The Tet Offensive of 1968 was a disastrous military defeat for the North Vietnamese and that the VC were almost wiped out by the fighting, and that it took the NVA until 1971 to reestablish a presence using North Vietnamese troops as local guerrillas. The North Vietnam military senior commanders repeatedly said that they counted on the U.S. antiwar movement to give them the confidence to persevere in the face of their staggering battlefield personnel losses and defeats. The antiwar movement prevented the feckless President Lyndon Johnson from granting General Westmoreland’s request to enter Laos and cut the Ho Chi Minh Trail or end his policies of publicly announced gradualist escalation. The North Vietnamese knew cutting this trail would severely damage their ability to prosecute the war. Since the North Vietnamese could continue to use the Ho Chi Minh Trail lifeline, the war was needlessly prolonged for the U.S. and contributed significantly to the collapse of South Vietnam. The casualties sustained by the NVA and VC were horrendous, (1.5 million dead) and accorded well with Gen. Ngyuen Giap’s publicly professed disdain for the lives of individuals sacrificed for the greater cause of Communist victory. They were as thoroughly beaten as a military force can be given the absence of an invasion and occupation of their nation. The Soviets and Chinese recognized this, and they put pressure on their North Vietnamese allies to accept this reality and settle up at the Paris peace talks. Hanoi’s party newspaper Nhan Dan angrily denounced the Chinese and Soviets for “throwing a life bouy to a drowning pirate” and for being “mired on the dark and muddy road of unprincipled compromise.” The North Viets intransigent attitude toward negotiation was reversed after their air defenses were badly shattered in the wake of the devastating B-52 Linebacker II assault on North Vietnam, after which they were totally defenseless against American air attack.

To this day the anti-war movement as a whole refuses to acknowledge its part in the deaths of millions in Laos and Cambodia and in the subsequent exodus from South East Asia as people fled Communism, nor the imprisonment of thousands in Communist re-education camps and gulags.

South Vietnam was NOT defeated by a local popular insurgency. The final victorious North Vietnamese offensive was a multidivisional, combined arms effort lavishly equipped with Soviet and Chinese supplied tanks, self-propelled artillery, and aircraft. It was the type of blitzkrieg that Panzer General Heinz Guederian would have easily recognized. I didn’t recall seeing any barefoot, pajama-clad guerrillas jumping out of those tanks in the newsreel footage that showed them crashing through the gates of the presidential palace in Saigon. This spectacle was prompted by the pusillanimous withdrawal of Congressional support for the South Vietnamese government in the wake of the Watergate scandal, which particularly undermined this aspect of President Nixon’s foreign policy. It should be noted that a similar Communist offensive in the spring of 1972 was smashed, largely by US air power; with relatively few US ground troops in place. At the Paris Accords in 1973, the Soviet Union had agreed to reduce aid in offensive arms to North Vietnam in exchange for trade concessions from the US, effectively ending North Vietnams hopes for a military victory in the south. With the return of cold war hostilities in the wake of the Yom Kippur war after Congress revoked the Soviet’s MFN trading status, the Reds poured money and offensive military equipment into North Vietnam. South Vietnam would still be a viable nation today were it not for this nation’s refusal to live up to it’s treaty obligations to the South Vietnamese, most important to reintervene should they invade South Vietnam.

There is one primary similarity to Vietnam. A seditious near traitorous core of anti-war protesters is trying to undermine U.S. efforts there with half-truths, lies, and distortions. In that respect, the war in Iraq and the war in Vietnam are very similar. A significant difference is that thus far the current anti-war movement has not succeeded in manifesting contempt for the American military on the part of the general U.S. public as it did in the Vietnam era.

When I was in Vietnam, I recall many discussions with my fellow soldiers about the course of the war in Vietnam and their feelings about it. Many, if not most felt that “We Gotta Get Outta this Place,” to cite a popular song of the time by Eric Burden and the Animals, but for the most part they felt we should do it by fighting the war in a manner calculated to win it. I do not recall anyone ever saying that they felt the North Vietnamese could possibly defeat us on the battlefield, but to a man they were mystified by the U.S. Government’s refusal to fight in a manner that would assure military victory. Even though there was much resentment for the antiwar movement, and some (resentment) toward career professional soldiers, I never saw anyone who did not do his basic duty and many did FAR MORE THAN THAT as a soldier. Nineteen of my friends have their names on the Vietnam War Memorial Wall in Washington DC. They deserve to have the full truth told about the effort for which they gave their young lives. The U.S. public is not well served by half-truths and lies by omission about such a significant period in our history, particularly with their relevance toward our present fight in Iraq and Afghanistan.


31 posted on 07/17/2009 8:13:18 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: DMZFrank

Thank you for providing the detail regarding what I merely sketched.

My wife had relatives on both sides of that war, and Cronkite and the entire anti-war left is directly responsible for prolonging the bloodshed and for the ultimate destruction of a country that was becoming another Asian Tiger - not that they care.


50 posted on 07/17/2009 8:29:59 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: DMZFrank

Nice analysis - more should read it. Thinking of a book?


61 posted on 07/17/2009 8:43:16 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: DMZFrank
In your opinion, was Cronkite just another ignorant dupe, reporting whatever was whispered in his ear (not that that excuses him), or was he more sinister than that?

I really don't know.

68 posted on 07/17/2009 8:58:44 PM PDT by FlyVet (C)
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To: DMZFrank

First of all, thanks for your service, second of all, great post, third of all, I must say I had the exact same anger swell up in me when I saw the likes of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi exclaim “the war is lost” with this latest war our brave military has now all but won in Iraq.

Bush declared mission accomplished, and at the time it was...So-damn insane was pushed out of his palace and into a rat hole, his sons soon killed and that evil regime was destroyed forever.

Anyone marginally conscious could see the love and admiration our troops had for their CIC on that carrier when W landed and the banner was there. To this day children are being named after Bush in a land desperate for more freedom.

But you’d never know from the modern day Crank-ites and the rats in congress.

The supreme irony, the likes of the Jane Fondas and various other names scratched in permanent infamy in the minds of people that are decent and matter and make this country what it is, wouldn’t enjoy the freedoms they have to bleat such idiocy if not for brave people that died for them and the fact that this IS a good and decent and tolerant country, not the 4th reich these morons make it out to be.

More often than not if this were anywhere else these ignorant toads would be dragged out into the streets and summarily and very publically executed and/or tortured. But this escapes the permnanently mentally crippled left to this very day.

Anyway, most (decent and normal) Americans recognize that the Walter Crank-ites and Jane Fondas of the world are wrong-headed idiots.

My father was there, first in 66-7 with the 5th special forces, then again 69-70 as a helicopter pilot with the 1st cav.

Thanks again Frank.


102 posted on 07/18/2009 2:56:03 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: DMZFrank

Quite possibly the best post I’ve ever read on FreeRepublic. Thank you for it and for your service.


114 posted on 07/18/2009 5:09:42 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: DMZFrank

Thanks alot for that reply and for the service and ridicule men and women like you endured.

As a child of the 70’s, born in 1964, waste-high to adults of the time, I looked upwards to mesmerized faces of confusion for answers.

Accounts of re-telling like yours and others who have contributed here fill an uninformed void of my own young life.

Much thanks,

T


117 posted on 07/18/2009 6:05:01 AM PDT by 30 something american (never argue with idiots, they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: DMZFrank

*Bumping* your excellent post.


120 posted on 07/18/2009 6:24:27 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: DMZFrank
Frank, thanks for the recounting. As a young boy at the time I followed Vietnam rather closely, getting up at 5am almost every day to watch the raw film footage broadcast by a NYC station. My interest in the war remained until the end and then afterwords with the refugees, re-education camps, the fall of Cambodia and it's aftermath.

It's a fair analysis to say more SE Asians died in the first year of 'communist peace" than in the preceding 15 years of the leftists' so-called 'imperialist aggression'.

The media is simply full of anti-American, pro-tyranny traitors and agents of foreign governments and their policies. Considering Western journalists' influence over Western public opinion and politics they have always been the pre-eminent target of foreign security services.

129 posted on 07/18/2009 7:29:21 AM PDT by Justa
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To: DMZFrank
Thanks for the history, Frank. The skinny I was privy to backs it up.

In Feb. 68 I was at DLI, watching the evening news with Walter Cronkite describing events that were happening in the VN Tet Offensive. He read some copy, tore off his glasses and said "What the hell is going on over there?" Didn't know what to think of it then, didn't find out much till later talking with guys who were in country at that time. Found out a lot more later when I got to DaNang.

The point is that this little episode on the evening news wasn't reporting but dramatic editorializing by the 'most trusted man in America'. Subsequent reporting followed the same biased notions Cronkite initiated and were never corrected. The same sort of bias in reporting started earlier in Ia Drang, then Tet, Hue and Khe Sanh.

I feared rocket attacks at night, MiG attacks in the air and the possibility of a sapper getting through the perimeters at DaNang but CBS and Uncle Walter on the evening news back in the World was the ultimate sapper attack, one we didn't see coming and could do little to prevent.
147 posted on 07/18/2009 2:35:34 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Government needs a Keelhauling now and then.)
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To: DMZFrank

Awesome post, DMZFrank!


190 posted on 07/19/2009 2:24:20 PM PDT by meyer (Obama's failure is America's Success.)
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