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Obama Health Bill: Those on Social Security - Mandatory Counseling on Asst. Suicide
Fred Thompson Show ^ | July 17, 2009 | Betsy McCaughey Interview

Posted on 07/17/2009 4:09:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

On Page 425 of Obama’s health care bill, the Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just how to end their own life earlier. Yes...They are going to push SUICIDE to cut medicare spending!!! And no, I am NOT SH—ing YOU! So those of you who voted for Obama have now put your own parents in dire straights...Congratulations!

Also, planned denial of medical care for seniors.

Click the source for audio.


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To: Jim Robinson; HardStarboard; jilliane; freekitty; FlyVet; Dysart; mockingbyrd; umgud; Desdemona; ...

“Yes...They are going to push SUICIDE to cut medicare spending!!! And no, I am NOT SH—ing YOU!”

Whoever said this is full of horse throw. Take a look at this, assuming it’s what’s being used for a source, and show me where it says anything about assisted suicide, let along pushing assisted suicide.

http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf

It would be wise to check the source before posting things like this. Otherwise, a persons credibility suffers.


101 posted on 07/17/2009 7:33:56 PM PDT by Habibi
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To: Habibi

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2295285/posts


102 posted on 07/17/2009 7:38:54 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Habibi
"Assisted suicide" may not be found in the text of the bill; however, it is known in the industry that hc budgets will be shifted away fr the elderly and flow to economically viable populations. That is a fact. Those disfavored groups in the proposed system will be ushered compassionately and fiscally responsibly to their expeditious death.

I think you are trying to temper the hysteria here and I appreciate that, but we must also not lose sight of the bigger picture.

103 posted on 07/17/2009 7:53:45 PM PDT by Dysart (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong--Voltaire)
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To: ArmyTeach

What about anyone who is in a coma? How long will they be allowed to remain that way? Will they even be given any type of life-sustaining care? Will they pull the plug in a week? A month? Six months?

What about someone who has lost the use of their limbs? Paralyzed in an accident? Is it worth the cost to keep them going?

Who is going to determine whether or not your life is “worth it”?

What about advanced directives? Aren’t they going to be essentially null and void if the government is going to decide on how long you live and what kind of end of life care you receive?

Anyone who has a major health issue, even children with down’s syndrome are going to be a drain on the health care system and the taxpayers. Handicapped need wheelchairs, physical therapy, special education, long-time care, special housing etc. Which ones should be killed off or denied life-saving medical care?

This is just more than old people at the end of their lives. This is children, adults, teens with special needs, victims of disease or accident or born with defects.


104 posted on 07/17/2009 7:59:12 PM PDT by conservativegranny
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To: Dysart

They may have all sorts of things up their sleeves, but the bill does not support the statements made about it.

The evidence does not support the conclusions made. That’s all I’m saying.


105 posted on 07/17/2009 8:04:55 PM PDT by Habibi
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To: Habibi

Point taken. The methods might differ but the outcomes will not.


106 posted on 07/17/2009 8:11:11 PM PDT by Dysart (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong--Voltaire)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks for the post. This is an atrocity! Obama must be stopped.


107 posted on 07/17/2009 8:36:35 PM PDT by NorwegianViking (Organizing for America)
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108 posted on 07/17/2009 8:41:05 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Robinson
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109 posted on 07/17/2009 8:49:22 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Habibi

Does Habibi have anything to do with Bobo?


110 posted on 07/17/2009 8:51:32 PM PDT by NorwegianViking (Organizing for America)
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To: NorwegianViking

No. Habibi straight!


111 posted on 07/17/2009 8:54:39 PM PDT by Habibi
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To: Para-Ord.45
Consideration of the importance of complete lives also supports modifying the youngest-first principle by prioritising adolescents and young adults over infants .... Adolescents have received substantial education and parental care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life. Infants, by contrast, have not yet received these investments..... 79 Importantly, the prioritisation of adolescents... considers the social and personal investment that people are morally entitled to have received at a particular age, rather than accepting the results of an unjust status quo. Consequently, poor adolescents should be treated the same as wealthy ones, even though they may have received less investment owing to social injustice."

O.M.G......and I must ask the question that liberals used to ask when dismantling our society -- whose morality?

112 posted on 07/17/2009 8:55:12 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ( Jim Thompson for President.)
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To: conservativegranny
“Anyone who has a major health issue, even children with down’s syndrome are going to be a drain on the health care system and the taxpayers.”

As one who has had major health issues over the years, kept working (at a job you wouldn't believe), and overcome (or at least made a guarded truce with all of them), I'd like to point out that Down’s kids have been mostly sorted out of the mix before birth. Not that there aren't a few of them around. There's just not as many as a percentage compared to their statistical representation in the past.

Due to amniocentesis, they can be detected well before birth. After the determination's been made, it's open season on ‘em. Problem is, the tests are not always accurate (you can see what's coming). We were told that our daughter was Down’s. Not that it made any difference to us, we're not that sort of procreators. We thanked the Doc for the information, and my wife continued to gestate.

She went full term + and now our daughter's 12, and an honor student in her charter school class. Sometimes the answers that technology provides, aren't accurate (and there's one of the problems). So you see, a little faith, and some individual morality can do great things. It certainly did so for Rachel. :-)

As for our son, he's something of a statistical anomaly as well. Technology saved him in-utero (that and a bit of divine intervention), but that's another scary story.

Fact is that 3/4’s of our family would be dead by now without some VERY unlikely “saves”. Saves that were so statistically unlikely that there was pretty clearly some divine intervention involved (I'm a pretty pragmatic guy and believe me, this is not an overstatement). I really do think that when you walk with God, improbably nice things happen. It's true for us.

113 posted on 07/17/2009 9:19:39 PM PDT by Habibi
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To: 353FMG

Exactly!


114 posted on 07/17/2009 9:21:21 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Sprit of '76)
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To: Jim Robinson

How this is all playing out is like an Old Testament Sunday School story. We now have a wicked pagan king, and we need to be weeping in our fasting and repentance.

I don’t care if this offends anyone - we need revival and a spiritual awakening. I’m not talking about the tent type, but the sovereign God of the universe sending His Spirit among us in a powerful way, enabling us to give His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, the glory, honor and praise.

The spirit of Antichrist is on the march, and our only answer is the true Christ. No King but Jesus - and may He bless America!


115 posted on 07/17/2009 9:26:33 PM PDT by scott7278 (Obama, Klaatu barada nikto!)
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To: TurtleUp; wagglebee; cpforlife.org

Here we go...
First, Ginsburg puts out the feelers on eugenics...
Now Population Control Obama-style.

Don't take the shots!

Vaccine May Be More Dangerous Than Swine Flu

"...for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived."
- Book of Revelation 18:23

116 posted on 07/17/2009 10:07:20 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: potlatch

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Any trespassers thinking of stopping by around here should opt for sharktank duty


117 posted on 07/17/2009 10:17:07 PM PDT by devolve (- - Take your stinking pawns off me you damned skinny Commie! - -)
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To: JrsyJack

THat is a reasoned objection. But the headline of this thread is a lie and a distortion.

I am deeply suspicious of medical advance directives and always have been. THey are to cover the providers in case they get sued and really do not cover the territory of the last days. People with DNR/s,,I have seen this with my family,,do not get even minimal treatment from what I see.

The best thing available is someone you love and trust and whom you empower to make decisions if you cannot. I see all the time people making decisions about these matters under theinfluence of feeling dreadful and hopeless. Not a good time to say quit treating me.

THe default positon should be treat as you want yourself treated and treat with available means. Not the other way around.


118 posted on 07/17/2009 10:36:15 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: HardStarboard

THe bill is posted.


119 posted on 07/17/2009 10:37:31 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: MamaDearest; SouthTexas; Piquaboy; celtic gal; SkyPilot; justiceseeker93; romanesq; ZULU; basil; ...

Pelosi, Reid, the Fuhrer, and the Congress will make suicide mandatory. Hitler reborn and Nazi Germany reborn. Thank the media and Liberals.


120 posted on 07/17/2009 11:08:07 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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