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1 posted on 07/15/2009 10:25:11 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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This bastard would have had my son euthenized at birth. My son's crime? Hemophilia!

Peter Singer should take his own advice. He has nothing to offer society.

2 posted on 07/15/2009 10:31:09 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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Yet these are the same people who want to give a blank check for care of illegals in this country.


3 posted on 07/15/2009 10:32:37 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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Government rationing by deciding that it won't pay for your treatment is almost invariably paired with a decision to not allow you to pay for that same treatment with your own money. After all, if government has decided that your life isn't worth saving how can you disagree and act on your own to save it? Allowing that would be the road to a two tiered* system the Dems don't want, where people in government hospitals are dying or allowed to remain crippled from conditions which are cured in private hospitals. People begin to doubt their government and think about voting for real change (not just hopey-change) and that must not be allowed.

* - please do not pay attention to the two tiered system of government official, their families and others with political pull getting treatment you aren't allowed to have.

5 posted on 07/15/2009 10:33:12 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AIG, Chrysler and GM are what Marx meant by the means of production.)
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One thing I'll say for Singer is he's brutally honest in applying his utilitarianism to human life issues. He doesn't hide behind euphemisms. I wish more people would listen to him and understand where the left really is coming from on issues of abortion and health care.
6 posted on 07/15/2009 10:33:21 AM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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“If there is any point at which you say, ‘No, an extra six months isn’t worth that much,’ then you think that health care should be rationed.”

That is non-sequitur. It can only makes sense if one assumes there to be a collective responsibility for paying and a collective authority for deciding.


7 posted on 07/15/2009 10:35:35 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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We get rationing while he and his friends get anything they need, paid by our labor.


9 posted on 07/15/2009 10:37:53 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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RATIONING, RATIONING, RATIONING, RATIONING, RATIONING, RATIONING, RATIONING, RATIONING, RATIONING, RATIONING, RATIONING, RATIONING, RATIONING, RATIONING, RATIONING, RATIONING

Your Senators are waiting to hear this from each of us.


10 posted on 07/15/2009 10:39:44 AM PDT by listenhillary (90% of our problems could be resolved with a government 10% of the size it is now.)
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What they completely miss: If you remove the funds that led to that extra 6 months breakthrough, you will destroy the incremental medical breakthroughs that lead to 6 months, 6 years, and ultimately a cure.

If they had their way in 1950, we’d still have 1950’s medicine and everyone would just die from cancer.

And all these advances were built on private profit and the treatments help poor as well as rich.


11 posted on 07/15/2009 10:41:03 AM PDT by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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Soylent Green is People Feeding People.


12 posted on 07/15/2009 10:41:03 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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First they came for the unborn, but I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t unborn...

I think most of us know where this is headed. We let the evil geenie out of the bottle when we started offing our young.

Where it’s going is hell on earth.


13 posted on 07/15/2009 10:41:12 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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According to Pete, you no longer have a right to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness. I question his patriotism.


14 posted on 07/15/2009 10:41:46 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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They will ration healthcare, but not to save money. The reason is that they hate the idea that someone can afford care and another person can’t. They want equal outcome - so what if people have to die to achieve it.

Oh, and the liberal elite won’t have to face such awful things. Their healthcare system is free and platinum plated.


15 posted on 07/15/2009 10:42:46 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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Wow I’m glad he’s not in charge. My mother would have been dead by now!


16 posted on 07/15/2009 10:42:50 AM PDT by cyborg (The Cyborg Show brought you by the Apple iPhone)
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This POS would have made Hitler proud.


17 posted on 07/15/2009 10:43:56 AM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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Obama just said on TV that we have ‘to buck up’.....he’s already bucked up, BIG TIME!!!!!


18 posted on 07/15/2009 10:45:03 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (Have you girded your loins today??????)
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But our current system of employer-financed health insurance exists only because the federal government encouraged it by making the premiums tax deductible. That is, in effect, a more than $200 billion government subsidy for health care.

And that's where the trouble started...

20 posted on 07/15/2009 10:51:35 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (It takes a viking to raze a village!)
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Rationing.....and there’s the added benefit of paying fewer people Social Security, Medicare, Medicade, and SSI.

A big incentive for the government to deny care to the elderly.


21 posted on 07/15/2009 10:54:03 AM PDT by Texan
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I always like to respond to socialists in kind; to refute their arguments on the same plane. That way they can’t say I changed the subject. Here’s the appropriate argument:

Sutent was created by a thorough and well-funded research program that has the goal of curing cancer. Without this research, Sutent would not exist. Nor would all of the other drugs, surgical procedures and technologies that have rolled back the curse of this dreadful disease. The drugs, like Sutent, must be tried on human populations to determine their effectiveness, and the data gained guides scientists in creating the next generation of drugs. Those drugs may not only prolong life with better quality, but may actually reverse and cure the disease. That research has a cost, and is most effectively borne by an insurance coverage system. The private sector, driven by motivations of profit and achievement, provide the competitive milieu to accomplish this.

Also, by spreading these costs of research and development through the insurance system, all members benefit directly, not just the isolated recipient of Sutent. Because we are all going to become ill someday. Without trying out these drugs on everyone, no one has the chance to beat what was once an incurable disease. And what human talent and ability is lost because of this? Will a talented physicist, who could have discovered a new source of energy for our planet, not make that breakthrough because he died of cancer at age 44? You cannot be selective here; you cannot spare the physicist and sacrifice the plumber because the plumber is “less important.” Without the research data gained by trying to save all, you wind up saving none.

Even you, Mr. Singer. Someday you may be diagnosed with cancer, or ALS, or Alzheimer’s disease. Under your system, you will be declared “obsolete,” and sacrificed on the altar of your socialist eugenics god. Perhaps if the proper research had taken place, there could have been a cure for your ailment. But alas, you deemed that it was not worth saving the “lost.” No research was done that might have saved you.

Too bad you condemned yourself to an earlier death than you otherwise would have had. But I won’t feel sorry for you; you brought it upon yourself. Instead I would feel pity for the millions of others you condemned to an early death. And the billions of all of us who suffered because of that loss of human potential.


23 posted on 07/15/2009 11:01:58 AM PDT by henkster (A "Living Constitution" yields a Dead Republic)
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To which I say, 'You first, Peter.'

He wants the rest of us to do what he and a few others he deems worthy will be exempt from, through their own wealth, rationalizing or perceived 'usefulness', ie his profession.

And who defines how much is too much to spend? How long is too long to savor another day? Is one life worth more than another? Oh, that's the best part - he thinks only he and people like him can do that.

And woe to us will be the suckers, the 'little people', who vote for it, endorse it, buy into it thinking it will be for everyone else, except them.

24 posted on 07/15/2009 11:03:16 AM PDT by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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All resources are ultimately scarce (except, unfortunately, liberals, although you could argue that they're not really resources as they have no value whatsoever). For that reason, they are rationed by one mechanism or another. In a free market system, resources are rationed by price, which in an ideal, truly free market, would reflect the exact value of that resource in terms of producing it, whether that resource is a good or a service.

In a socialist system, there is still rationing, only it is now done by unelected government officials making rules as to what they believe is the common good. To be totally fair, they do have input from the Congress, which is at least theoretically representative of the people's wishes.

The problem is that government officials get to make the decisions, as opposed to the free market, their inherent human biases come out and they decide who gets what based not on need, as Marx said, but on who they THINK has a need. This distorts the market so badly that you end up with situations like the one in England where people are pulling their own teeth because they can't get in to see dentists.

Liberals, blinded by their Marxist religion, believe that this is a better system somehow.

25 posted on 07/15/2009 11:05:12 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (I long for the days when advertisers didn't constantly ask about the health of my genital organs.)
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