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Sarah Palin Does Not Understand Cap and Trade
The Atlantic ^ | July 14, 2009 | Conor Clarke

Posted on 07/14/2009 6:43:27 AM PDT by Zakeet

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To: Pistolshot
“Please, when insulting the writer of the article, make sure you are not insulting the initial poster.”

This is why I would suggest putting a “barf alert” or something beside the title. Without it the posters are often attacked as if they agree with the anti-palin article, which sometimes they do. We do have a small percentage of people on FR who do not support Palin. A small percentage, but we here from them often, and they are nut budging one bit.
Personally I would not spread MSM garbage on Palin here anyway. Just reading misleading headline like the “Palin to stump for Democrats” can cause irreparable damage, for the many who read and comment on only the headlines.

41 posted on 07/14/2009 7:07:52 AM PDT by NavyCanDo (Stop Freakin, Try Freepin)
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To: Zakeet
The point of cap and trade is to solve a problem of social cost: As an energy consumer, I am imposing a cost on society (pollution) that I do not take into account when I make the original decision to consume.

Since progressives are so concerned about accounting for their imposition upon society that isn't being properly accounted for then they should be thrilled if someone proposed an idiocy tax...of course that means that progressives will be taxed into destitution but that's a small price to pay to account for their burden upon society.

42 posted on 07/14/2009 7:08:26 AM PDT by highlander_UW
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To: Kakaze

Climate change and the punishment of consumers through cap-and-trade is akin to white guilt and the guilt of consumers in contributing the rape of the environment. I had never thought of that before.


43 posted on 07/14/2009 7:08:52 AM PDT by techno
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To: Zakeet

The writer does not understand economics.


44 posted on 07/14/2009 7:08:52 AM PDT by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find!)
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To: NavyCanDo
For the Anti-Palinites I will be making a banner.

THANK YOU FOR HELPING GET SARAH ELECTED IN 2012!!!

45 posted on 07/14/2009 7:09:57 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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To: techno
This is truly a content free attack on Sarah Palin. Nobody has put forward a serious argument that the Cap and Trade Bill currently before Congress will have any significant environmental benefits. Nobody. It can't be justified as a reasonable effort to price externalities and reduce environmental impacts because it isn't. It is a money and power grab, pure and simple.

Why doesn't Sarah Palin think people should throw good money away so their government can get bigger and stronger? Because no sane person thinks that. The leftoids are getting more and more hysterical and incoherent.

Sarah is over the target.

46 posted on 07/14/2009 7:10:48 AM PDT by fluffdaddy (Is anyone else missing Fred Thompson about now?)
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To: Zakeet
Connecting the dots.......

Conor Clarke: "Gov. Schwarzenegger faces some problems of his own.
The Governator admires the legislative model of Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney,
who pushed, passed, and signed a law this year requiring all Bay State residents
to obtain insurance, so long as it is readily available and reasonably affordable."


Conor Clarke: "Super Tuesday: Mitt Romney has been crushed in the Republican primaries.
Here's why I feel more than a little sorry for him
Romney ..... has been the victim of a double standard."

47 posted on 07/14/2009 7:12:45 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Zakeet

You should have posted this as a barf alert from a rag which employs Andrew Sullivan.


48 posted on 07/14/2009 7:12:57 AM PDT by DB9
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To: SoftballMominVA

But they studiously avoid the obvious indications that 0bama’s “autobiography” was not written by himself,
and that he can’t speak articulately without a teleprompter.


49 posted on 07/14/2009 7:13:19 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: east1234

With national unemployment at 9.5 percent, is the writer nuts??!!!!!


50 posted on 07/14/2009 7:13:25 AM PDT by Fee (Peace, prosperity, jobs and common sense)
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To: Zakeet
The point of cap and trade is to solve a problem of social cost: As an energy consumer, I am imposing a cost on society (pollution) that I do not take into account when I make the original decision to consume.

Sorry, Conor, it's you who don't understand. Energy is a necessity of life, but your unlearned opinion is another matter all together.

51 posted on 07/14/2009 7:13:48 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Zakeet

Ah, the typical nonsensical viewpoint as so eloquently presented by the typical leftist. The underclasses are causing damage to MY environment, MY planet. Therefore we, your superiors, have decided to punish all of you by raising your taxes. This, of course, is our birthright...ruling stupid, unimportant people and teaching them all lessons. Oh, and the science behind our decisions? Well that is none of your business. We have decided. We are better than you. Therefore we are right.


52 posted on 07/14/2009 7:15:07 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: fluffdaddy

Andrew Sullivan is an extreme sufferer of Palin Derangement Syndrome. Isn’t he the moron that still, to this day, propogates the theory that Trig is actually Bristol’s baby? Needs a straight jacket and some heavy meds.

Palin’s right on the money with her editorial.


53 posted on 07/14/2009 7:15:45 AM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: east1234

“I think this is a small price to pay”

You are clearly a dumbass.


Bingo!
With cap-n-trade in place, it will be impossible for a new business to take off or for an existing business to expand, because this would require energy, which will be capped. So for every business that starts up, one will have to shut down - or pay the government “protection money.” Right?


54 posted on 07/14/2009 7:15:51 AM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: Zakeet

That author is a complete fruitcake. A social cost? Give me a break.


55 posted on 07/14/2009 7:18:04 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: ElayneJ

To folks like Conor Clarke anybody who is bourgeois or petty bourgeois is an enemy of the state and unworthy because of their gullt in contributing to the rape of the environment.


56 posted on 07/14/2009 7:19:37 AM PDT by techno
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To: highlander_UW

Now there’s a tax that would surely generate some
revenue :-)


57 posted on 07/14/2009 7:20:01 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: MrB
"“Consuming energy produces pollution” is a false premise that we should not allow them to argue from."

Absolutely correct. CO2 is as you noted, a plant food, more CO2 more and healthier plants.

The Global warming alarmists can not argue CO2 in and of itself causes significant warming, they MUST have a positive feed back mechanism in order for greater atmospheric CO2 to cause warming. The feed back is increased H20 vapor causing atmospheric hot spots. However after YEARS of searching for these hot spots not one was found. The alarmist are losing the scientific argument and the Earth is cooling not warming as they predicted.

As for the consumer not paying the social costs of pollution when they make a purchase, total BULL. The cost of cleaner energy is built into the purchase price,

exhibit 1) A modern Automobile, does anyone think that they are not paying for all that pollution fighting stuff the car contains when they buy said car? Jeeeeez
exhibit 2) Electricity, does anyone think that the cost of producing electricity in modern clean plants is not passed on to the consumer?
etc.

The author of this article is ecomonically challeged to put it mildly.

59 posted on 07/14/2009 7:20:30 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Zakeet
Conor, you failed to explain what Cap and Trade is - you blame Mrs. Palin for not knowing yet all you did was post a silly graphic.

I tell ya what - if you think it is a small price to pay for your actions, why don't you pay additional tax to the energy company and pay an additional tax for whatever method you use to get around (car, train, subway, etc), and you can pay an additional tax for whatever other method you use to bloviate on this subject, then you won't feel so guilty for destroying the planet.

Meanwhile, Cap & Trade is the new shell game - folks who aren't using their allotted "carbon credits" can sell them to big factories/energy producers who are still using the same amount as always so it is just the new mafia shakedown.

Cap and Trade does not end carbon release - it merely adds another tax and government control prodecure.

60 posted on 07/14/2009 7:20:41 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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