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Will the Political Establishments Hate for Sarah, Help Create a New Party?
Post Scripts ^ | 7/13/09 | One Vike

Posted on 07/13/2009 11:15:49 AM PDT by OneVike

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To: MrB
Third parties with large followings tend to have their agenda absorbed by one of the two primary parties.

True enough. George Wallace's "law 'n' order" rhetoric was adopted by Nixon and Agnew after the 1968 election. The interventionist schemes of the Populists were absorbed by the Democrats, with Populist leader William Jennings Bryan becoming the Democrat Presidential candidate three times. However, neither Wallace nor Bryan were elected President.

If Palin has Presidential ambitions, she will have to stay in the Republican Party and fight it out with the RINOs.

61 posted on 07/13/2009 12:47:50 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: The Toll

You’re not listening. You are listening to what the media says she is saying.

http://www.myfreedompost.com/2009/07/palin-steps-down-as-alaskan-governor.html


62 posted on 07/13/2009 12:49:19 PM PDT by listenhillary (90% of our problems could be resolved with a government 10% of the size it is now.)
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To: Wallace T.

I think that’s the intent, regardless of whether she’s going for president or not -

a big ol’ RINO hunt, and elitists to boot.

Gotta get ‘em out of the GOP before we can root them out of government in general.


63 posted on 07/13/2009 12:49:35 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: OneVike
I suspect that Obama will do to the Democrats what Bush did to the Republicans. As recession morphs into depression and then morphs again into disintegration, both parties will collapse.

From the Tea Party movement will come a new political party, a Party of the Radical Middle. This will be Ross Perot’s old Reform Party under a new name and new management. I suspect it will go back to early American history and label itself the Federalist Party, or perhaps the New Federalist Party. Unlike Alexander Hamilton’s Federalist Party, which was a nationalist party, this will be a party dedicated to genuine Jacksonian federalism. (Andrew, not Jesse.)

It will favor the Constitution in Exile, not the Living Constitution. It will favor states’ rights over federal control. It will favor low taxation, less government and taking many functions out of government hands altogether.

On cultural warfare, it will either dodge the issues of abortion, euthanasia and gay marriage by leaving them to the states (federalism), or finesse them by saying that the principles of small government should keep government out of people’s most private decisions.

This party will owe nothing to the groups that make up the Far Left. There will be no attempt to woo poor blacks, teachers, homosexuals, radical women, and Greens.

Likewise, this party will owe nothing to the groups that make up the Hard Right. There will be no attempt to woo single-issue Evangelicals.

Political Independents have always disliked the fact that a Hard Left nominating electorate controls the Democrats’ nominating process and a Hard Right nominating electorate does the same with Republicans. They feel voiceless and abandoned by the two party system.

A party that can harness Independents, conservative Democrats (DINO’s) and moderate Republicans (RINO’s) will become the majority party overnight.

Can Gov. Palin lead such an effort? I don't know, but I do know that somebody eventually will.

64 posted on 07/13/2009 12:51:30 PM PDT by Publius
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To: The Toll

Because it is hard to run for President from Alaska?

No gymnastics needed for that one.


65 posted on 07/13/2009 12:52:37 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: Publius

EXACTLY!


66 posted on 07/13/2009 12:53:53 PM PDT by tentmaker
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To: Deb

You make a good point. None of us want sissies and crooks. But if we start a new party, I really don’t believe there will be no sissies and crooks in it. They are everywhere.

That’s why 3rd party doesn’t excite me so much. I would vote for a viable 3rd party candidate if he/she was a better choice than the (R). I have done so just a couple of times in the past, on the local level.

But the (R) is so much better than the (D) on any national ticket I always vote for the (R).


67 posted on 07/13/2009 1:00:13 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: Publius
A party that can harness Independents, conservative Democrats (DINO’s) and moderate Republicans (RINO’s) will become the majority party overnight.

Agree 100%. This is the perfect storm for a new party.

And the media that fails to report the reality of the sputtering economy will lose all credibility in the next few years.

68 posted on 07/13/2009 1:04:08 PM PDT by carmody
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To: MrB

When I was still a Democrat registered voter back in the late “80”s, I remember talking to my future father in-law about politics. He probably knew that me and his daughter were going to be seeing a lot of each other, so he set out to change my thinking.

I remember telling him how frustrating it was to see the politicians I voted for just ignore my views. Well, he saw the opening and while I waited for my future bride he gave me the best political education I have ever had. Forty five minutes later when his daughter came down stairs, I was convinced I was a Republican and that I was going to marry the most beautiful girl in the universe.

Twenty two years later I am still married to the most gorgeous creature to ever walk this planet, and I still vote Republican. However, I am now as disgruntled with the Republicans as I was with the Democrats that spring day back in “87”. My father in-law still talks politics with me, but I am not as intimidated as I was back then. We still agree on 99% of everything we talk about accept football, I’m a Viking fan, he’s a 49er. On Politics, he is looking into the viability of a new party, and I............well I am tired of the same antics from the Republicans I saw from the Democrats.

I like Sarah, but I do not worship her. She speaks common sense, and I like that. When it comes time to skin a cat, there is still only one way to properly skin it. I want someone to skin it, not debate how to do it with someone who has never skinned one, then agree to do it their way.


69 posted on 07/13/2009 1:04:25 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Publius
It will favor the Constitution in Exile, not the Living Constitution. It will favor states’ rights over federal control. It will favor low taxation, less government and taking many functions out of government hands altogether. On cultural warfare, it will either dodge the issues of abortion, euthanasia and gay marriage by leaving them to the states (federalism), or finesse them by saying that the principles of small government should keep government out of people’s most private decisions.

Sounds like the Libertarian Party...It's not working out so well
70 posted on 07/13/2009 1:05:46 PM PDT by wiseprince
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To: OneVike

I believe what a lot of her detractors see as “worship” is just those with the discernment to see the potential for a rebirth of a values based society and the recognition of the leader that can bring it about. I, and many others, think she’s been especially called to accomplish part of God’s plan here on earth.

This American Thinker article lays it out well:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/god_and_sarah_palin.html


71 posted on 07/13/2009 1:14:56 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: xzins

Palin is no Reagan and never will be. You are projecting.


72 posted on 07/13/2009 1:15:17 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: OneVike

You know I wasn’t for a new third party a few months ago but now I am thinking it might actually be the only way.

I think Palin is gearing up to start a new third party based on clear conservative principles.

Breaking the two party system would be a very good thing for this country.


73 posted on 07/13/2009 1:16:15 PM PDT by surfer
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To: Deb

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Yeah, there won’t be any “sissies and crooks” in the new party. Everyone will be of one mind and there will be no disagreements or varying degrees of conservatism. Just like the Reform party. Whatever happened to the Reform party?
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You are so right. I quit.

I think it was terribly courageous of FDR to surrender to the Japanese before lunchtime on December 7th. We had never beaten them and there was clearly no reason to try.


74 posted on 07/13/2009 1:16:27 PM PDT by noblejones (Obama rules!)
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To: Publius
Well said, but I would change one aspect of your scenario and that would be the make up of the coalition you speak of, instead of a coalition of "Independents, conservative Democrats (DINO’s) and moderate Republicans (RINO’s)" , I see a coalition of conservative Democrats, conservative Republicans, and conservative type Libertarian.

It has long been my belief that a vast majority of Independents are truly conservative, but they grew to dislike party labels. However election results show that they historically supported the candidate that came off the most conservative.

That's the only difference I cold see between yours scenario and mine.
75 posted on 07/13/2009 1:17:14 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: listenhillary

No. I am listening to what she is saying, or rather what she fails to say. I have been conservative for a very long time, I know how to filter the media. It’s an every day process that we all share.


76 posted on 07/13/2009 1:17:15 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: wiseprince
While I admire the Libertarians for their ideological consistency, they are not about governing.
77 posted on 07/13/2009 1:17:22 PM PDT by Publius
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To: MrB
believe what a lot of her detractors see as “worship” is just those with the discernment to see the potential for a rebirth of a values based society and the recognition of the leader that can bring it about.

Good point. Especially Christian conservatives who are much more forgiving of her family troubles because the church is full of failed individuals who have wayward children who did the wrong things. We see us in her, and we like what we see.
78 posted on 07/13/2009 1:22:29 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

The Christian worldview is the truth, and those without it think the truth is nonsense.
We see the “troubles” in someone’s life as the result of sin in need of redemption.
Leftists only see “hypocrisy”. They avoid the “sin” issue by avoiding the standards by which to measure behavior.

One thing about the cries of “hypocrisy”. Always remember, it’s not the bad behavior they’re decrying, it’s the existence of the standard by which it is measured.


79 posted on 07/13/2009 1:25:51 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: OneVike
However election results show that they historically supported the candidate that came off the most conservative.

Not true. Independents are either center-left or center-right, but they are always center-something.

Reagan shifted them from center-left to center-right, thus redefining the political playing field during the Eighties and Nineties. Unfortunately, the Younger Bush shifted them center-left again, and the Democrats have been able to make use of that. That's why the Democrats won in '06 and '08.

Obama is going to be the Herbert Hoover and James Buchanan of this era. He is going to attempt to use the nostrums of the New Deal to fix problems that go deeper than anything FDR could hope to fix. He is going to fail on an epic scale.

As his failure becomes more and more manifest, neither media lies nor government lies will be able to disguise the failure of the current wisdom. Independents are already getting queasy because nothing Obama and the Democrats are doing is working. Things are getting worse. People aren't going to accept excuses much longer. This is when the Independents will shift center-right again.

80 posted on 07/13/2009 1:29:23 PM PDT by Publius
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