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UPDATE: Option-ARM Mortgages Turning Worse Than Subprime
WSJ ^ | 07/10/09

Posted on 07/13/2009 4:08:51 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

UPDATE: Option-ARM Mortgages Turning Worse Than Subprime

(Updates with companies declining to comment and further details in first, second, fourth and 13th paragraphs.)

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--For the third straight month, option adjustable-rate mortgages are generating proportionally more delinquencies and foreclosures than subprime mortgages, the scourge of the housing crisis.

A further acceleration of troubles among the loans could mean higher-than-expected losses for Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC) and JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM), as well as the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.'s own insurance fund.

"The realization of the issues related to option ARMs is just beginning," says Chris Marinac, director of research at Atlanta-based FIG Partners.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mortgage; optionarm
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1 posted on 07/13/2009 4:08:52 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; PAR35; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; MadLibDisease; happygrl; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 07/13/2009 4:09:22 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

But every said the housing market has already bottomed out? /SAR


3 posted on 07/13/2009 4:13:15 AM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This looks to me like another of those situations best described by the old joke with the punch line “The cat’s up on the roof and won’t come down.”

Some preliminary artillery fire to soften up the target.


4 posted on 07/13/2009 4:17:04 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

More info here;
http://www.market-ticker.org/archives/1206-Banks-Here-Come-The-OptionARM-Blowups!.html


5 posted on 07/13/2009 4:22:51 AM PDT by Mister Muggles
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Just wait until interest rates start to rise due to all the government printing and borrowing...

The morons at the helm are going to cause substantial inflation by debasing the dollar while at the same time competing for buyers of their debt forcing up interest rates and that in turn will cause mass defaults from people with adjustable rate mortgages already living on the edge... Well done to the geniuses in charge...

If people think actual recovery is coming they are sadly deluded.


6 posted on 07/13/2009 4:23:29 AM PDT by DB
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Let free market forces make the correction happen that the communists have been delaying for two years. It is going to happen... and the sooner it happens... the sooner things start to turn around... but they will not listen and we the people shall pay and pay and pay and pay. Recovery will be years after the dims are voted out of power... they have damaged our Nation terribly and the fix will not be quick in coming.

LLS

7 posted on 07/13/2009 4:23:36 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
A lot of these mortgages (upward of 50%, I believe) are in California.

Can anyone say “state bailout”?

8 posted on 07/13/2009 4:30:34 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (It's soft tyranny, folks. It's smiley-face fascism.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Oh, and also, ALT-As are due for some resets, too.

Both of these are worse than the subprime fiasco.

No problem, though, Bawney Fwank will simply figure out a way to continue giving federally backed loans to people who cannot afford them and without having to produce any paper work (such as proof of citizenship).

9 posted on 07/13/2009 4:32:12 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (It's soft tyranny, folks. It's smiley-face fascism.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Mister Muggles
Thanks for posting. Thanks very much for the link to Denninger. It looks like he was on top of this from the get-go.

Fascist financial oligarchs Fascinating. Educational.

10 posted on 07/13/2009 4:36:20 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Can anyone say “state bailout”?

That's why the SEC declared their IOU's to be securities rather than DOA.

The supremacy of finance capital over all other forms of capital means the predominance of the rentier and of the financial oligarchy; it means that a small number of financially “powerful” states stand out among all the rest. The extent to which this process is going on may be judged from the statistics on emissions, i.e., the issue of all kinds of securities. - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, "Finance Capital and the Financial Oligarchy"

11 posted on 07/13/2009 4:40:37 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: LibLieSlayer

“Let the free market forces make the correction...”

I agree with you 100%. Putting it off will only make it worse. I know things are going to be bad for an extended period, but let’s go ahead and bottom out, we can’t really start rebuilding until we do.—JM


12 posted on 07/13/2009 4:40:58 AM PDT by Jubal Madison (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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“That’s why the SEC declared their IOU’s to be securities rather than DOA.”

I’m not sure I follow your point. Can you elaborate?


13 posted on 07/13/2009 4:42:08 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (It's soft tyranny, folks. It's smiley-face fascism.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

So...are JPMorgan and Wells Fargo too big to fail? Will Bank Bailout II be as debated as Stimulus II?


14 posted on 07/13/2009 4:48:08 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Good article...here...

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/07/09/ap6638832.html

Appropriate comments...here...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2290775/posts


15 posted on 07/13/2009 4:58:06 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Jubal Madison
I wish we could make those in the District of Corruption see the light!

LLS

16 posted on 07/13/2009 5:03:29 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Is that the one with the option to pay interest only, or the one with the option to convert to a fixed rate at particular times in the life of the loan?


17 posted on 07/13/2009 5:19:09 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

I’ve been a real estate agent for 24 years and still get them mixed up...


18 posted on 07/13/2009 5:20:04 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: PGalt
I guess I don't fully understand how this is supposed to play out — assuming, of course, that everything is for the benefit of statists and the Federal Reserve banks.

1. People overpaid their taxes.
2. The government OWED those people REAL US Dollars.
3. The state was so reckless in its spending and budgeting that it is now, essentially insolvent.
4. Rather than declare insolvency, it issues IOUs (to only one small sector of its debtors)
5. I thought that the IOUs would become a sub-currency within the state of California and that the Federal Reserve would clamp down on that alternate currency as it always has in the past. But it hasn't. Yet.
6. Banks decide NOT to accept the IOUs, because, we assume, they understand that money taken wrongly yesterday and converted into an IOU today is based on the promise to pay tomorrow with money it does not have and has no foreseeable means of attaining
7. So the SEC “ALLOWS” these non-backed IOUs to be traded on a market.
8. Which would make them, as a financial instrument, some sort of bastard hybrid offspring between a true stock and a government Bond, inheriting the bad side from both types of instruments (high risk with little yield but no foreseeable backing).

So my point is this:
Is this not fraud?

If I try to sell stock on the market for a company that does not really exist or with a promised yield that is based upon cooked books, how is this not fraud?

Governmental fiat (”Each IOU is a valid share to trade” because “it will yield 3.xx%”) does not mean these “Involuntary Bondage” can actually pay what they are promised.

And I coined that term deliberately, because it is no less a form of slavery for the government to steal the life energy or the citizenry. So I suppose I do understand how this plays out eventually. Stall until the Federal Government steals from the citizens of other states to bail out California, thus spreading the "Involuntary Bondage" throughout the middle-class citizenry.

19 posted on 07/13/2009 5:21:23 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (It's soft tyranny, folks. It's smiley-face fascism.)
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To: PGalt

Thanks for the links, by the way.


20 posted on 07/13/2009 5:21:46 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (It's soft tyranny, folks. It's smiley-face fascism.)
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