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To: uncommonsense

Trust me, we know something about the price of freedom in Turkey. We had to fight the WW1 allies off with pitchforks. All you have to do is look up Galippoli for a taste. And then the war of independence that followed the Ottoman sultan’s defeat in WW1.

Things are not so easy to comprehend as they may seem. It’s ok to take a deep breath or two and rethink. Yes, there are many who hate the USA all around the word. And that’s for precisely the same reasons why many people hate us Turks. Empires, physical or economical are not made by smiles and kisses. Many are hurt, killed or assimilated. And then these people hate you - that’s all there is to it. And they pass that hate on to their own kids.

These people in China have nothing to do with America hating muslims. They are a peopl resisting assimilation by their conquerors. These are their last death throes - God have mercy on them.

Meanwhile, my American brothers are far too filled with hate toward the Muslim to be able to do an good in the war against terror. Sad but true, far more people are going to hate you after this last wave of warfare. Your non-coms hate Muslims, the very people they are supposed to help save.

Washington and Franklin must be sore from turning in their graves for the past few decades.


35 posted on 07/12/2009 6:02:43 PM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice)
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To: a_Turk
Let me preface this by saying Muslims from Turkey, Lebanon, and Jordan have a lower propensity for what I’m about to say, but not to the level where I can say a majority do not have this propensity…

You said: "Meanwhile, my American brothers are far too filled with hate toward the Muslim to be able to do an [sic] good in the war against terror."

Let me correct your statement:

"Meanwhile, my Muslim brothers are far too filled with hate to be able to do any good in the war against terror."

That’s right, jump right into the “blame America” band wagon. You just reinforced my point - there’s always that “hate America” attitude right on the tip of the Muslim tongue (like Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Alsaud right after the 9-11 attack). Americans have only protected Muslims at GREAT cost in lives and financial support. American have not willingly and indiscriminately attacked civilians, blown up Mosques, oppressed all religions not exactly like theirs (do a search here on FR for "Christian" and any Muslim country, including so-called moderate countries, to see what you receive back).

Americans have accepted Muslims in every community of America, even through these same Muslims have shown nothing but contempt for our society (especially as their numbers grow - they start to show their true disdain for America). They don’t want to “become Americans” as all the many immigrants before them, which has made the US the greatest nation in the history of civilization. They just want to live here to receive the unique benefits that they can’t get from any Muslim nation in existence (and I’m not talking about accepting the garbage coming out of Hollywood or DC - like abortion). I would add that this is not unique to the US - look at The Netherlands, France, and the UK. Christians who emigrate from Muslim countries demonstrate no such ingratitude and disrespect.

Americans are very much a “live and let live” society. We are slow to anger and quick to forgive. But, it has gotten to a level way beyond absurd where we, the USA, is blamed for all the Muslim world’s self-inflicted woes. In Lebanon, just as their country is becoming an oasis after years of civil war, they turn to Hamas for “leadership” and all the gains are predictably lost (in reality, Iran funneled money to Hamas so they could pose as a humanitarian group - and fooling no one - the population took their Iranian money and allowed them to take over the southern part of the nation). I could go on and on, but I won’t because I’m wasting my time. Show me the Muslim country that has a history of standing on it's own (no Western aid at all), respecting true liberty and freedom as a gift from God to each individual, respecting people of all religions and races within it’s borders as well as outside, providing opportunities for it's citizens, and interacting with other nations in a peaceful and respectful manner - then we can strike up this conversation again.

36 posted on 07/13/2009 5:01:45 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; conservatives believe what they see.)
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