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To: a_Turk
Let me preface this by saying Muslims from Turkey, Lebanon, and Jordan have a lower propensity for what I’m about to say, but not to the level where I can say a majority do not have this propensity…

You said: "Meanwhile, my American brothers are far too filled with hate toward the Muslim to be able to do an [sic] good in the war against terror."

Let me correct your statement:

"Meanwhile, my Muslim brothers are far too filled with hate to be able to do any good in the war against terror."

That’s right, jump right into the “blame America” band wagon. You just reinforced my point - there’s always that “hate America” attitude right on the tip of the Muslim tongue (like Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Alsaud right after the 9-11 attack). Americans have only protected Muslims at GREAT cost in lives and financial support. American have not willingly and indiscriminately attacked civilians, blown up Mosques, oppressed all religions not exactly like theirs (do a search here on FR for "Christian" and any Muslim country, including so-called moderate countries, to see what you receive back).

Americans have accepted Muslims in every community of America, even through these same Muslims have shown nothing but contempt for our society (especially as their numbers grow - they start to show their true disdain for America). They don’t want to “become Americans” as all the many immigrants before them, which has made the US the greatest nation in the history of civilization. They just want to live here to receive the unique benefits that they can’t get from any Muslim nation in existence (and I’m not talking about accepting the garbage coming out of Hollywood or DC - like abortion). I would add that this is not unique to the US - look at The Netherlands, France, and the UK. Christians who emigrate from Muslim countries demonstrate no such ingratitude and disrespect.

Americans are very much a “live and let live” society. We are slow to anger and quick to forgive. But, it has gotten to a level way beyond absurd where we, the USA, is blamed for all the Muslim world’s self-inflicted woes. In Lebanon, just as their country is becoming an oasis after years of civil war, they turn to Hamas for “leadership” and all the gains are predictably lost (in reality, Iran funneled money to Hamas so they could pose as a humanitarian group - and fooling no one - the population took their Iranian money and allowed them to take over the southern part of the nation). I could go on and on, but I won’t because I’m wasting my time. Show me the Muslim country that has a history of standing on it's own (no Western aid at all), respecting true liberty and freedom as a gift from God to each individual, respecting people of all religions and races within it’s borders as well as outside, providing opportunities for it's citizens, and interacting with other nations in a peaceful and respectful manner - then we can strike up this conversation again.

36 posted on 07/13/2009 5:01:45 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: uncommonsense

I can’t agree with your correction of my sentence, but I do agree with what you stated in your last paragraph.

But regarding your correction, it yields a true statement even though it doesn’t invalidate mine.

My stance has always been that lines drawn between masses using seemingly useful deliniations such as language or religion do not necessarily lend themselves to appreciable progress. It is our goals that determine which side we’re on - peace and love or destruction and hate. You may argue that one group has more haters than the other but isn’t that really irrelevant and counterproductive? The continental congress had members of many different convictions, but they all shared one specific one that brought them all together. So I suggest we look past the easily observed differences, consider each individual for what they are, reinforce the good we may find in individuals, and help those whose judgement is clouded by helping them conquer their ignorance.


37 posted on 07/13/2009 5:36:42 AM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice)
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