One more from the left: Free Republic Pulls Thread Bashing Malia Obama

DailyKOS ^ | Fri Jul 10, 2009 | by CatM

[Costumed Vigilante]

If we are as intelligent as we claim, we can make our points without giving the enemy the opportunity to malign us and silence us over some quibbling words--and still make those points effectively.

That was an outstandingly well-thought-out response my FRiend, and I really appreciate the consideration you put into it.

Let me add this: They don't care about rational discourse, logical arguments, or opinions held by their opponents. They care about acquiring and retaining power, period. I understand that your focus is on the "bystander" class, but they are irrelevant. When you are in an arena in a knife fight, it doesn't matter how many bleachers are cheering for you.

What matters is the size of your blade and the ruthlessness with which you wield it.

Only results count, and no weak spot of theirs is off-limits to me.

A verbis ad verbera

[Smokin' Joe]

Well, first off, I do not ever view being right as a weak position. We can still be angry conservatives without ever bringing up anything to do with race, and there can be even more of us as people suckered in by considerations which were racial in nature will feel free to be opposed to policy and actions of the current administration if we avoid permitting the Left to portray us as racist.

It is hard enough for many people to admit they were wrong, that the current officeholder did not have their basic interests at heart, but only the interests of those who serve his agenda, without additionally having to be claimed to be 'siding with racists' who would be defined as not having their best interests at heart.

Place other people whose genuine interests might obviously be best served by conservative policies in the position of having to be a 'sell out' to say as much, and it will not ever be said.

I will grant that that is not the only voting bloc suckered by the campaign, but it is one we will never fracture if we cannot leave melanin out of the equation and make our case against the current regime on the basis of its actions and their effects on us all.

We can be angry over the extra-Constitutional acts of the administration, the Socialist takeover of banking institutions, auto manufacturers, the spinoff effects on suppliers, the coming assault on the energy industry and all consumers thereof, the compromising of national security and defense... There is plenty enough to be mad about, things which affect us all, and our not using words which can be branded as 'racist terminiolgy' will let even more people get mad about it.

Otherwise, those selfsame people will close ranks against what will continue to be preaented and perceived as a more seminal and greater threat, and the other positions against the policies of the administration will be made untenable for anyone who could otherwise join freedom-loving and Conservative Americans in the battle to return this country to a Constitutional Republic.

Not every one in that group stands to benefit or profit by this administration's policies, and any business owner should be substantially opposed to much proposed and enacted by this administration, regardless of who they are.

Rather than present issues in a divisive manner (where we can be divided and conquered), we should present them in a manner which shows how they affect us all.

As for the way those children were dressed, I have known dirt-floor dirt poor families who would not let their children out in public dressed so shabbily. Color had nothing to do with it, it was a matter of self-respect.

[Quix]

Jim,

The more I’ve pondered this . . . the more I wonder . . .

How much of these attacks are REGRESSIVEs

doing their normal breathing the vapors of hell and spewing out the natural results

and how much of such stuff is some sort of at least loosely organized attack on FR?

It HAS to be a given that the globalist oligarchy wants to shut lots of truth and conservative sites down AS SOON AS THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.

It HAS to be a given that they will use any and all means they can.

Seems to me, it might be wise for you to collect a brain-trust together from FR and set up a non-public channel on FR for brain-storming and dialogues about a list of possible prep, actions, responses, etc. to such attacks.

Seems to me it would be wise to be PRO-ACTIVE vs reactive.

That it would at least be wise to be ready for the rabble’s rock throwing in a more well-prepared way than may be the case at present.

just imho.

LUB

THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO FOR US AND OUR BELEAGUERED REPUBLIC.

[Jim Robinson]

Well, y’know. I’m just not going to worry too much about it. The trolls and misfits will eventually get banned or drop out. There’s nothing here for racists. We don’t go for the race superiority or separatism bit. They may get away with some vulgar stuff from time to time, but if they’re truly racists they won’t be able to resist showing their “colors” eventually and they’ll get the zot. Same with the lib trolls and plants. There are always some here but they eventually tire of the game or expose themselves to the Viking Kitties.

Other than that, O’Reilly, Kos & Co. can kiss my ass.

We have higher standards and a classier clientele than any of the others, including the thought police.

[Quix]

Sounds reasonable to me.

I don’t want you to feel unsupported by us, though, in the least.

And I don’t want any such to slap you upside the head by surprise in some unexpected way.

We just love you and care for you tons and tons . . .

besides, we’re also selfish—we love this place for us, as well.

[TChris]

Can you honestly say you have never heard that used by anyone regarding someone that was white?

Yes, I can honestly say that I have never seen such a thing. In fact, I haven't ever seen such a thing directed at ANYONE since I left high school, until some FReepers brought it back.

Why don't you go hang out at a jr. high school playground? I'm sure you'd be a big hit there.

[steve-b]

Yeah I’m sure the Daily Kooks removed every nasty thing said about Willow, Piper, Bristol, Track, and Trig Palin right

Such comments generally disappear within minutes because the KOssacks use a system where well-established users can put "troll" flags on posts. We may need to do that here.

[nutmeg]

Don’t know what I find more upsetting — reading some of the nasty posts or to have our hands slapped by someone from that hateful, arrogant KOS site.

Yes... good point.

[alarm rider]

Although I saw the thread with the Bambi girl in the t-shirt, I did not comment. Personally, I could care less what she wears and where. I expect nothing more considering her parents.

In a large sense, my problems with some conservatives have little to do with alleged racism, but more the overreaction and inability to fight back in word and deed. And this truly is why I commented in the first place.

I think that if we understand that what is happening to our country is a direct result of alleged conservative politicians that do not have the skills, the stones or the courage to stand up and say what needs to be said, PC be dammed, then we deserve exactly what we get. Country first and damn the torpedo's. We haven't had a person in a position of leadership in some time that is articulate enough to do that.

Where does that leave us? We keep voting Republican and look what that gets us. Republican politicians fold like cheap lawn chairs because they are afraid, like many here, of the wrath of the left. Where does that get us?

That is why I have taken a personal pledge to never, never vote again for a Republican who will not stand up and say, “Look, here is what is happening to our country, and here is why it has happened”.

So, there has to be a start somewhere, there has to be someone who can address these issues in language that is not offensive, yet with language that will not yield to the transparent and destructive left.

[Smokin' Joe]

So, there has to be a start somewhere, there has to be someone who can address these issues in language that is not offensive, yet with language that will not yield to the transparent and destructive left.

I fully agree. Discourse with the Left, (at least such as can be had--and this includes the media shoutovers which pass for 'debate' on the tube), must be conducted in such a way as to be able to get the message out on principle, without getting mired in being branded as evil over a turn of phrase.

If we stick to the idea that certain actions violate certain principles, that the seminal issues are really not fashion (note this tempest is over a few rags worn in Europe, and has nothing to do with the rampant violations of Constitutional law and intent going on), but are far more serious, with consequences which will reach deep into the vitals of America's economy and principles and rip the heart out still bloody and beating, issues which affect everyone here, then we have a shot at getting past the temple dogs of political correctness.

Our nation is being raped and the most comment seems to be generated over the victim's mismatched socks.

Have Americans been so conditioned to ignore the vital issues because understanding them is 'too hard' and concentrate on the fluff because of the 'drama' involved?

If that is the case, we have far more to remediate than our Republic, we need to wake up the citizenry, too, and before the spinmeisters can blame it all on some superficial nonsense to obscure the real issues at hand.

In the meantime, we have to survive the purges and Inquisition over the selection of wording which might offend the perpetually offended. As such we walk in the minefield of MSM generated 'public opinion'.

Ironic, really because since this Politically Correct/"hate" speech nonsense started, I have heard more people purposefully use undeniably offensive terms because they are so frustrated with mollycoddling protected groups of people they might have otherwise been civil with.

There is a backlash coming, and it will not be pretty when it happens, but will occur because people are tired of not receiving equal protection under the law, even though they are in the majority.

[alarm rider]

“There is a backlash coming, and it will not be pretty when it happens, but will occur because people are tired of not receiving equal protection under the law, even though they are in the majority”.

I very much agree with you. Oddly, I am a guy that really believes in a two-party system, or at least what a two-party system used to be. What I see coming down the road does not make me happy, but that said, I have vowed to die on my feet before I live on my knees, literally or other.

I think that my forefathers and yes, foremothers would expect nothing less. That is why I believe that more than ever before, we need a champion, a real true American who will stand up and tell the truth.

I have noted that lately, someone like Mrs. Palin who has the ability to speak to the folks garners much interest. Strange isn't it that Mrs. Palin speaks basic American values and is attacked by a leftist media, and not supported by the Republican party?

This tell me that the winds have changed. This tells me that the rules have changed. This tells me it is time for a more muscular Americanism to reassert itself and bring us back to reality.

Regards,
AR

[Smokin' Joe]

I fully agree with your post. I hope sincerely that we can right the damage done to this Republic, re-instill the virtues of having parties trying to accomplish the same Constitutional ends with perhaps a variance in methodology and perhaps even differing aims, but civil discourse.

I find it unlikely. The American people have been divided as if the population had been shoved through a Veg-O-Matic, across actual racial, cultural, economic, philosophical, party, religious, and regional lines, and if all else fails there are other ways to split the ranks over sports teams and other folly which seem effective.

We are not merely a 'house divided' but fractionated, pulverized by pop culture, ignorance, and folly, while there is far more we all have in common to focus on.

Unlike the Second World War when the enemy was an obvious and common enemy and even Hollywood and the Media joined in wholeheartedly supporting the war effort, this time we find America split, with the Media advocating the anti-American positions.

They do not have to win the war, only cause it. That will be victory enough for those who wish to destroy this country, for it will likely achieve their ends of toppling the world's one superpower.

Pity, for we all have more in common, when you take the rabid America-Haters out of the equation.

The idea that all want better for their children and that 'better' is being stolen/embezzled/baksheeshed out to the 'in' crowd on all our grandchildren's tab to enrich a few and impoverish the many would garner the ill will of the multitude, so it is hidden.

With the exception of those who are bent on the destruction of this nation and the looting of her treasure, virtually everyone wants to be prosperous, secure, and to be able to retire after a lifetime of work (or a few moments of innovation) to live out their golden years as they see fit, having passed some form of security and the ability to generate their own prosperity to their issue.

We will disagree with how to meet those ends, but who would not be angry that the future is being looted to pay for the dubious past of a few, at the common expense? --the expense of those who have acted responsibly and done their best to live within their means.

If it comes to that, one day we will consume the supplies stored against the days of hardship, or perish trying to endure and overcome.

In any event, we will hold our heads high knowing we did our best.

[TXBlair]

The repeated use of the terms ghetto and street trash by different posters. Sounds like the repetitions of Democrat daily talking points by the media where we here the same phrases echoed by disparate sources. Makes me think the same people who do that also did this.

Yes. That's exactly what struck me, too!

[Mind-numbed Robot]

Joe, this has been in progress for about seventy years. It is called incrementalism and it is subverting and taking over our institutions a little at a time until one day - boom, its over. That day is near.

Do a search for Communist Goals and that will explain their plan. Then find the Frankfurt School and that will tell you how they did it. Then go to DiscovertheNetworks.org and that will summarize it all and give you a program of all the players.

For a detailed playbook read Saul Allinsky’s Rules for Radicals.

[lentulusgracchus]

[MNR] The repeated use of the terms ghetto and street trash by different posters.

Yes. That's exactly what struck me, too!

I noticed it, too. There have been a few trolls popping up lately. And you know that if the Obama Administration were going to move on Net sites like FR, there would be sure to be a sudden upwelling of such zombie posts for quotation by the Drive-By's in their "info operations".

[lentulusgracchus]

....the Dems opposed the Civil Rights Act in 1964, and as you said, opposed Thurgood Marshall, and they are racist to this day.

Careful about your categorical thinking there, FRiend.

Ohio and Illinois were in the vanguard of black codes before and after the Civil War. In the 1890's, Cincinnati had some codes and racial covenants that forbade blacks to own property outside a small, crowded, unhealthful area near the old downtown, near the river.

Antebellum Illinoisans enforced their black code by jailing offending blacks who entered Illinois (that was the offense) by "selling them South". Neat, huh? Get rid of the problem and someone else pays you for handling it.

And when the Klan marched in the 1920's -- under the flag of the United States, by the way -- it was Catholic Democrats who opposed them with practical measures.

[ohioWfan]

I'm sure you understood my point, lentulusgracchus. Since slavery, the Democrat party has been opposed to racial equality and have been on the wrong side of history.

That statement in no way implies that no Republicans have been racists and no Democrats for equality. My point is that the present day racism in the Democrat party has just gone underground and taken a different twist. In order to get the black vote, they have enacted policies that have destroyed the black family, murdered millions of unborn black babies, enacted AA ("the soft bigotry of low expectations") and in general tried to enslave African-Americans by enticing them into their racist policies.

btw, your points seem to be more about north/south than Republican/Democrat, and I made no reference to that geographical difference. Steven Douglas was from Illinois as well as Abe Lincoln.

[Mind-numbed Robot]

As an aside, in his research for his acclaimed three volume biography of LBJ, with a fourth to come in 2012, Robert Caro discovered a tape of LBJ talking to his friend Richard Russell (D Ga) after signing the 1964 Civil Rights Act, an act that the Democrats could not pass on their own but got significant Republican help. LBJ said, “That will keep the niggers voting Democrat for 200 years.” He seems to have been right.

As with most Democrat actions, it was more about cementing a voting block than any concern for blacks.

[ohioWfan]

That's hardly an aside. That's a huge punctuation mark to my point. Thank you!

The Dems are now, and have always been racists. For a hundred years, the truth of who stood more for integration and equality led blacks to vote Republican.

But LBJ and the Civil Rights Act and the massive welfare state he enacted were designed with one goal in mind........to get the black vote and enslave them in poverty and in the Democrat party for decades.

Unfortunately, it worked.

[lentulusgracchus]

As with most Democrat actions, it was more about cementing a voting block than any concern for blacks.

1. Johnson also famously said that, when he signed one of the Civil Rights bills (think it was the 1965 one), the Democrats had just signed away the White House for 20 years.

2. The Republicans, during Reconstruction, played the same game. They weren't in favor of ex-slaves' having the franchise as a matter of principle, but as a matter of holding their freshly-conquered Southern marches in thrall. Black codes remained in place north of Mason-Dixon and the Ohio River and internal migration of former slaves was not looked on with favor by mainstream Republicans of the 1860's.

Lincoln himself had an active interest in the ideas of the colonization movement, and the day he died, he had Gen. Dan Sickles in New Granada (Colombia today), looking into the possibility of using an army of ex-slaves to build a Panama Canal. Persons looking into that corner of American and Panamanian history have found the U.S. State Department files filletted; papers and reports Sickles's journals and letters refer to are nowhere to be found. Of course, there was a small matter of U.S. indemnification of Colombia in the 1920's, for the way in which Panama got its independence and the Canal got built, so there has been plenty of motive on the U.S. side for a "cleaning up" of the Panama files and correspondence.