I wonder why? /s Chinese troops responding.
Posted on 07/09/2009 4:55:52 AM PDT by milestogo
Muslim states 'silent' on Uighurs
A leading Uighur rights activist has criticised Muslim-majority countries for not speaking out against decades of alleged repression and persecution from the Chinese government.
Speaking in Washington on Monday, Rebiya Kadeer, a businesswoman who was jailed for years in China before being released into exile in the US, hit out at what she said was decades of "brutal suppression" of Muslims in China's western Xinjiang region.
Speaking after a day of unrest in Xinjiang left at least 150 people dead, Kadeer pointed to the lack of response from Muslim countries to the violence and the situation faced by the Uighurs.
"Muslim countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria and a number of other Muslim countries as well as the central Asian states like Kazakhstan Kurdistan and Uzbekistan - they all deported Uighurs who had fled Chinese persecution for peacefully opposing Chinese rule, for writing something, for speaking something," she said.
Kadeer attributed the lack of action from Muslim countries to what she said was the success of Chinese "propaganda" to the Muslim world.
"So far the Islamic world is silent about the Uighurs' suffering because the Chinese authorities have been very successful in its propaganda to the Muslim world."
That propaganda, she said, sent a message to the Muslim world "that the Uighurs are extremely pro-west Muslims - that they are modern Muslims, not genuine Muslims."
(Excerpt) Read more at english.aljazeera.net ...
Don’t want to upset the Chicom arms/ammo applecart.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Where is Rage Boy and burning the Chinese flag?
I wonder why? /s Chinese troops responding.
Let's get that straight. It's "propaganda" for the Chinese to say "the Uighurs are extremely pro-west Muslims - that they are modern Muslims, not genuine Muslims."
OK.
Note that Rebiya Kadeer is one of the activist Uighurs of Northern Virginia who was lobbying for the 17 Gitmo terrorists (aka "Uighur freedom fighters") to be released (as "political refugees") into the suburban family neighborhoods of Fairfax County, Virginia.
Note also that they fully admitted attending al Qaeda terrorist training camps in Afghanistan, pre 9/11.
Good to know it's merely cheap Chinese propaganda to say that they "extremely pro-west Muslims."
Iran and Sudan depend on China to use its veto power in the UN Security Council to block sanctions in return for oil.
Saudi Arabia — huge business interests.
Iraq — Not in a good position either as any condemnation might be followed by USA getting upset.
Maybe China will be the new “Great Satan”.
The Obama Administration excuse was they only declared jihad
against the Chinese and not the West!
When all other religions have been made subservient or nonexistent, the Muslims will turn upon one another, sect by sect and tribe by tribe. It’s just their nature!
Uighurs anen’t “our” kind of Muslims, after all!
China and Iran have signed at least three major (huge!) oilfield development deals in the last few years.
Multi-billion $$$ deals.
Because nobody says $hit to the Chinese. Why? Because they will kill you. Funny how that works eh?
Let me give you some background. Back in the day, the Bosnians were under significant military pressure from the Serbs. They called out to the free world to help them. Western leaders offered comforting words, but no concrete help. The only people who would help them? Devout Muslims - on condition that they were allowed in to proselytize and build mosques. The Serbs then massacred 200,000 Bosnians. Upon which Uncle Sam put his foot down and intervened. But prior to the massacre? What the Bosnians got from the West wasn't help, but an arms embargo.
If I were Kadeer, I'd take one look at (1) the Bosnian example, (2) the disparity between Serbia's and China's military strength and (3) American commitments in Iraq and Afghanistan, and realize that no way, no how is Uncle Sam or any of the Western powers going to come riding to the rescue. Who is left to help the Uighurs avoid disappearing as a people? Devout Muslims, who will donate money to the cause, but only if Uighurs appear to be more than nominal Muslims putting up an act to get funding. This is why Kadeer has to employ deceit - denying that Uighurs are what devout Muslims would consider apostates. If American churches were prepared to donate millions of dollars to help the Uighur cause, a la Charlie Wilson's War (vis-a-vis the Afghan revolt against Soviet rule), Kadeer wouldn't have to lie like a typical politician.
>>>>> Who is left to help the Uighurs avoid disappearing as a people? Devout Muslims, who will donate money to the cause, but only if Uighurs appear to be more than nominal Muslims putting up an act to get funding. <<<<<<
It’s not good PR to send your “freedom fighters” to al Qaeda terrorist training camps or to solicit Muslim zakat in this day and age.
It wasn't good PR for the IRA to hang out at Libyan terrorist training camps. But it was the one place they could train for free, courtesy of "Colonel" Gaddafi. And no amount of good PR will make Western governments donate any amount of money to the Uighur resistance movement. Which is what is needed to keep Uighur hopes of nationhood alive.
have any of you even been to urumqi? or even xinjiang province?
have any of you ever talked to a uighur? or a han chinese transplanted from somewhere east of xinjiang and now living there?
i would be surprised if any of you have ever visited, much less lived in, xinjiang province and witnessed firsthand the interaction of uighurs (as well as other ethnic minorities there) and han chinese…
i lived there in ‘03, in a small city called karamay (about 300km north of urumqi), and it wasn’t easy.
the relationship between the locals (the ethnic minority uighurs, kazakhs, tajikis, tatars, turkmenis, and others) and the transplanted hans is so complicated that one can hardly discern where to begin. it’s hard to judge from afar, whichever side you support, but i can say this:
don’t judge these muslims like you judge all others.
don’t for a second doubt the tendencies of the han police to use unnecessary force on peacefully-gathered citizens.
don’t doubt the disdain and utter disrespect either side has for the other.
and don’t doubt that you will never know the truth of this and any other story that spins out of xinjiang unless you are there because of how the chinese media and government deals with and depicts these local minorities.
i still have a bitter taste in my mouth about my experiences there and have a hard time keeping an even keel when opining about it.
i try not to be a hater, but my experiences in rural xinjiang (and i could go on for days chronicling them) left a very bad taste in my mouth and feeling sympathy for the ethnic minorities in xinjiang is nearly as automatic for me as breathing.
reading about these riots and seeing the images on various web sites makes me sad and a more than a little concerned for the well-being of friends i still have there.
>>> Which is what is needed to keep Uighur hopes of nationhood alive. <<<<
Personally I think America shouldn’t support even one single freedom fighter anywhere in the world.
Look at Afghanistan, and bin Laden’s “thanks” for the assistance we provided.
Or Bosnia.
Well, the list is as long as my arm, why bother.
Thanks for that update, but again I must say a pox on both of their houses.
Every time America takes side in these indigenous squabbles we end up getting screwed - by BOTH parties.
Enough already.
In my view, gratitude is unnecessary. In purely strategic terms we are better off for having supported the Afghans. The Soviet Union probably disintegrated way earlier than it would otherwise have, because of the severe economic strain placed on them in Afghanistan. As a free market economy, we survived the Korean and Vietnam wars without any serious damage to the country's economic strength. The Afghan War had an outsized impact on the Soviet economy. Made me wonder if the Soviets would truly have prevailed against the Nazis without huge shipments of American supplies. (So much was shipped there that they had surplus equipment to sell to the Chinese on credit after WWII).
>>> In my view, gratitude is unnecessary. In purely strategic terms we are better off <<<<
True enough.
Obviously I’m not suited to be a strategic planner in The Great Game ;-)
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