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France begins hearings on banning the burka
AFP ^ | July 8, 2009 | Carole Landry

Posted on 07/08/2009 6:57:37 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

PARIS (AFP) — French lawmakers opened hearings Wednesday on whether to ban the burka, calling in experts who said France should act to discourage Muslim women from wearing the head-to-toe veil.

President Nicolas Sarkozy has proclaimed the burka "not welcome" in secular France, drawing a warning from Al-Qaeda's north Africa wing that it was ready to "take revenge for the honour of our daughters and sisters."

Home to Europe's biggest Muslim minority, France has set up a special panel of 32 lawmakers to consider whether a law should be enacted to bar Muslim women from wearing the full veil, known as a burka or niqab.

At the first hearing, two academics described wearing the burka as a throwback to a form of archaic Islam and a type of cult-like behaviour, incompatible with modern France.

Islam expert Abdennour Bidar called the full veil a "pathology of Islam" embraced by hardline Salafists who tell Muslim women to cover themselves as a way to "get back to their roots."

"It's up to the republic to help Islam in our country choose its destiny and help French Muslims resist this pressure," said Bidar.

"We must find ways to prevent the burka from spreading. Whether that would be a law or something else is not for me to say."

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1 posted on 07/08/2009 6:57:37 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I think people in free societies have the right to wear what they want to wear. This is wrong.


2 posted on 07/08/2009 7:03:52 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Perdogg

Personally I will be delighted...the Muslims don’t allow freedom of expression much less worship in the lands they control.


3 posted on 07/08/2009 7:08:55 PM PDT by americanophile (Sarcasm: satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Kick the Burka to the curb!


4 posted on 07/08/2009 7:10:06 PM PDT by Atom Smasher
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To: americanophile

agreed
having been and lived over in Europe many muslim women wear it to show they are muslim and that they do not want to conform to weatern values.

No where in the koran does it state a woman should have to wear one and I see no reason why the west should adopt a part of sharia law.


5 posted on 07/08/2009 7:10:29 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick queer sham--- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: americanophile

Personally I will be delighted...the Muslims don’t allow freedom of expression much less worship in the lands they control

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My thoughts exactly! If they don’t like it, they can go back to where they migrated from!


6 posted on 07/08/2009 7:11:25 PM PDT by Atom Smasher
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To: Perdogg

Sorry i would have to disagree.
These women are not free,even if they live in a free society.


7 posted on 07/08/2009 7:12:59 PM PDT by GSP.FAN (Only dead fish go with the flow...)
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To: Atom Smasher

If they want to come into western societies, then they have to conform to OUR western ways of living. I’m sick & tired of having to walk on eggshells for these people!


8 posted on 07/08/2009 7:13:01 PM PDT by Atom Smasher
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To: Perdogg
It's a great idea. Until some future gov't uses this as precedent to ban the cross, and the bible, and so on...and w/ US Courts referring more and more to international rulings...

Gee, what could go wrong?

9 posted on 07/08/2009 7:14:02 PM PDT by exist
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To: Perdogg
I think people in free societies have the right to wear what they want to wear. This is wrong.

With all due respect, you simply do not understand Islam. It cannot allow a ‘free society’ to exist. Islam wants to kill you, convert you, or have you live in subjugation. France will survive only if it deports all Islamists.

Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared," Kill any Jew who falls under your power."

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

الاسلام هو شر لا مثيل لها ، ويجب القضاء عليه

10 posted on 07/08/2009 7:16:28 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICATED. Barack OBORTION is a close second.)
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To: Atom Smasher

tired of hearing how their countries are great because it is deep in culture and tradition and when we go over there we respect that, and yet when they come here we have to still respect there tradition while they ignore ours

what a joke they must think we are.

women wear it to say shove it I am muslim and not conforming to your values and yet we let them or the loony pathetic brain dead sheep left does


11 posted on 07/08/2009 7:18:41 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick queer sham--- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: FatherofFive

good post


12 posted on 07/08/2009 7:19:04 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick queer sham--- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: FatherofFive
I understand the problem. However, they chose to live like this. It is not up to a government to make people's lives better, it is up to government to stay out of people's lives so that people can make these decisions on their own. In Iran and Saudi it is believed that woman are whored out by western society, yet we would not want govt to tell people how to live based on shira law.
13 posted on 07/08/2009 7:20:05 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: GSP.FAN

so what gives you the right to tell them how to live?


14 posted on 07/08/2009 7:22:20 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m glad that some in France are finally waking up to the Islamic nightmare they’ve let fester over the years, but I’m afraid it may be too little, too late. They should have nipped these muzzies in the bud years ago.

Are you listening, America?


15 posted on 07/08/2009 7:24:12 PM PDT by TXBlair (White-knuckling my way through the next three and a half years.)
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To: Perdogg

It’s like gang garb. You can’t ban the handkerchief if it’s causing problems, but you sure can harass it’s wearers if your law enforcement. That’s the way I see it. France obviously takes it even more seriously. They are a lot closer to North Africa than you and I. I say let the French decide what’s best for the French.

I guess it’s sort of like if Mexicans started wearing sombreros and ammunition strung across the their chests and claim it’s to retain their cultural identity. Nothing aggressive about it. The Mexicans would just wear them as costume. It’s a bad example but what I’m trying to say is, there are signals sent out by large immigrant populations that can change the attitude from immigration to invasion/gang control.

The hardcore muslims use their women as cultural weapons. It’s part of the assimilation process and a reason they have been so successful expanding and dominating whereever they get a decent toehold. It represents order and modesty, something missing from most 3rd world hellholes. I don’t want it banned and think it would probably be impossible to get accomplished in the USA, but’s it aggressive as all get out.


16 posted on 07/08/2009 7:28:37 PM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“President Nicolas Sarkozy has proclaimed the burka “not welcome” in secular France, drawing a warning from Al-Qaeda’s north Africa wing that it was ready to “take revenge for the honour of our daughters and sisters.”

This is what no balls, politically correct diplomacy gets you. Arwe you listening Obama, or are you too busy crafting your next blame America apology speech?


17 posted on 07/08/2009 7:29:32 PM PDT by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: Perdogg

Probably the same right that allowed us to tell Mormons to stop with the multiple wives thing?


18 posted on 07/08/2009 7:29:46 PM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I saw a muslim woman wearing the tradition black dress all the way from her head to toe walking down a hot Texas street in a small Texas town on July 4th——made me sick.


19 posted on 07/08/2009 7:29:55 PM PDT by NorwegianViking (Organizing for America)
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To: Perdogg

Anti-masking laws are on the books of many (if not most or all) states.


20 posted on 07/08/2009 7:32:07 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (Barack Obama: The final turd George W. Bush laid on America)
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