Beam me to Planet Gore !
If you live in a town or city with zoning, you probably have had to have an inspection when selling your house to bring it up to code. That can cost a lot of money on an older property. The Omama Greens want it taken to the next level and make you upgrade your energy use equipment on the property as well. States and cities will have to do the same with public property so that's another expense individual taxpayers will assume. This c[r]ap and Trade{Tax] Bill is going to cost us $$$$$.
Will they offer you $4,500 to buy your parent’s “Clunker House” when they die?
We need to take a copy of it and BURN it on the steps of the capitol.
Markey didn’t show up this year on the 4th.
Note to self “Reload and Repeat”
This bill must die. Call your Senators.
So basically the 30 year old house that I bought 7 months ago I’m going to be stuck in for the rest of my life because it will probably cost me more to bring it up to crap-and-tax regulations then it would to tear the thing down and sell the bare land.
Nice.
I wrote a letter to my congressman turncoat Dave Riechert, and he responded with his pre-written I did it for the country response. I'll clip this and send it to him and ask him if this was in the portion he read before voting.
On the brighter side it will sure stimulate the sale of existing homes....
It seems like the present ‘administration’ is determined to introduce serfdom to the United States.... AFTER it has been dead (thankfully) and buried these many years everywhere else on earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Fox show ‘Cashing In’ reported this part of the bill on Saturday. All the pundits were freaked out by it.It freaked me out!
I figure when the dems/libs finally figure out what the fools in congress are subjecting us to, even THEY will be ready to hang the bass turds.
Unless they have some sort of loop hole for historic homes I doubt if the one we boughtto resale could ever be made that efficient? It has new windows and insulation but home built in the early 1900’s were not built to be efficient. I predict that this will create a lot of homeless people when people start tearing down their rentals because it is cheaper than retrofitting them!
"Kevin T. Keith wrote re: If You Don't Hate the Cap and Trade Bill, Let Me Show You Section 304. on 07-08-2009 12:16 PM
You may have a point. But you're incompetent, wrong, alarmist, and tedious, so I doubt it, and I can't be bothered to do your homework for you.
To begin with, you haven't even read the bill correctly. Section (A)(vi) is not triggered by simply changing the name on a utility bill; it involves selling the building to a new owner, or, for commercial buildings, leasing it to a new operator. Nobody is going to inspect your home if your spouse starts paying the monthly bills.
("Dr." Melissa Clouthier seems to have the same problem. Since the bill mandates energy standards for new homes, it doesn't apply to existing homes. Problem solved, with the careful application of a new technology known as . . . reading comprehension! And as to how new homes can be made more energy-efficient than current ones, let me simply note that her failure of imagination is not an argument against the regulations. It's essentially equivalent to the creationist argument against evolution: she can't think of a way it could work, therefore it's impossible. For her enlightenment, I'll merely mention a few things other than "windows" that aren't currently widely used, but could be: passive solar; active solar and wind, 12-volt lighting, smaller total volumes, multi-generation homes . . .)
As for inspections, the energy assessment is coincident with things that already require inspection and permitting: new construction, renovations, sales, and the like. This just adds another dimension to the assessments already needed, which is something for the inspectors to worry about, not you. As you yourself note, you are not required to do anything in response to the inspection. It's hard to see how this is any burden at all.
As for your suggestion that the government providing subsidies to make energy-efficiency improvements is "like a couple mob heavies leaning on a witness in a Rico trial", I can only surmise that either your local mob heavies are unusually altruistic, or you're full of ***.
Regarding your boo-hooing that the state will only pay you half the cost of renovating your own house, were you intending to pay back the energy-cost savings to the state if they pick up the whole tab? Naturally you'll accept a tax on the difference between current and future energy bills after the system pays for itself - since, after all, you're all about cost equity, right?
Finally, the real problem here is the fundamentally childish viewpoint that motivates the whole post. What made you think you could live in any civilized community and simply "do what you want" with your property simply because "you paid for it with money"? The whole point to civilization is that we have rules that mediate the way people act, insofar as it affects the rest of the community. No, you can't "belch smoke" into the air and use twice as much energy as everyone else doing the same things, because the smoke pollutes the air other people breathe, and the energy you waste uses up resources that can't be replaced, and which also cause pollution. (In economic terms, you're generating negative externalities. In simpler terms, you're screwing up the place other people have to live.) When nobody knew how much damage that caused, and energy was plentiful, being fat, dumb and happy seemed like a workable strategy. Now that it's obvious what a cost energy waste and pollution impose, it's reasonable to ask people to limit the damage they do to everyone else's environment.
You want to waste energy? Fine. Just do so in a way that doesn't ruin the environment or harm the health or lifestyle of the people around you. Oh - there's no way to be an oblivious self-centered pig that doesn't harm other people? Then knock it off.
If you want civilization, then be civilized. You have obligations to the rest of the community. Being selfish, wasteful, polluting, and indifferent isn't workable anymore. You have an obligation not to do it, just like there are obligations to get your car smog-checked, and to use carbon-recovery devices on industrial smokestacks. Home energy is another big chunk of the puzzle - it's one we have to address. The fact that it inconveniences you to live as if your neighbors and the environment actually matter is an observation about you, not about the regulations needed to preserve what little resources we have left."
Super Snoopscold, that.
Well, look at it this way. For many years us rich folks who own homes have had it easy. It’s now payback time.
I for one would like to see what it would cost to bring Obama’s sprawling mansion into green compliance.
Wow, a totally Unbelievable BTTT! And they’re trying to Force This THROUGH!
Now if I could just skip having to run to the bathroom to barf every 15 minutes, or running to the gun-safe and staring at it for 5-10 minutes, I could make better progress.
For now I'll just keep a bucket under my desk to save a few steps.
...called the "Building Energy Performance Labeling Program". It's section 304 of the bill and it says, basically, that your house belongs to the state. See, the Federal Government really wants a country full of energy-efficient homes, so much so that the bill mandates that new homes be 30 percent more energy efficient than the current building code on the very day the law is signed. That efficiency goes up to 50 percent by 2014 and only goes higher from there, all the way to 2030. That, by the way, is not merely a target but a requirement of the law. New homes must reach those efficiency targets no matter what. But what does that have to do with current homeowners like you? Well, I'm glad you asked. You're certainly not off the hook, no way, no how. Here's what the Democrats have planned for you."