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To: vladimir998; Petronski
That’s not exactly an elected or even appointed office. (#597)

This about elections:

With new election coming up in March 1930, he seized the moment.  Hitler and the Nazis went on a whirlwind campaign, making several speeches a day and cascading Nazi propaganda.  When all was said and done, Hitler and the Nazis became the second largest political party overnight, winning 107 seats in the Reichstag, the German House.
     With a rapid takeover of the Reichstag soon complete, Hitler set his sights for the presidency.  In 1932, Hitler ran against Hindenburg in March.  With his “Freedom and Bread” campaign slogan, Hitler and the Nazis ran a furious campaign, far out reaching that of 1930.  His counterpart, Hindenburg, relied on his reputation to win and did far less than his eager opponent.  In the spring of 1932, with 6 million Germans out of work, chaos in Berlin, starvation, and an uncertain future, people looked towards the Nazis with a new and positive light.  On March 13, the results came back and Hitler had won 30% and Hindenburg 49%, a run-off election had to take place to decide the winner.  The Nazis set out on another whirlwind campaign and Hindenburg did even less than before.  Rumors stared of Hindenburg having ill health, but his overall reputation won him the election in the end.  However, the Nazi Party gained a huge following and Hitler a new sense of hope for the future.
     On July 31st 1933, Hitler’s sense of hope was strengthened was the Nazi Party became the largest party in the Reichstag.  The 33 election won Hitler 230 seats in the House.  With a strong control of the government and being sworn in as the Chancellor of the German Nation several months prior (Jan. 30, 1933),
http://www.uvm.edu/~sgutman/Twentieth_Century_History.html#The%20Rise%20of%20Hitler

Although there is a difference of opinion regarding elected/appointed, the electionscaused the appointment.



No. He was appointed by the German president. He was not elected as chancellor. He was appointed and then given supreme powers legally through the German Reichstag. He was not elected to more than the typical parliamentary office.(#633)

Is there ANY reason to imagine that ANY elected/appointed "world authority" would be any different?

If you were smart, just play along for a minute, you would have realized that Germany was a state with no history of subsidiarity in politics.

If you were smart, just play along for a minute, you would have realized that THE WORLD is a state with no history of subsidiarity in politics.

Nope. Do yo? Apparently not.

Oh, excellent rejoinder. And so to the point.

Again, should we then abandon principles because human nature often fights against them?

Principles are fine things. I think everybody should express their principles. I do not think anyone should call for a "world authority," to redistribute wealth and bring about disarmament, and imagine that such an authority would actually follow any principle.

DG

640 posted on 07/10/2009 12:05:09 PM PDT by DoorGunner ( "...and so, all Israel will be saved.")
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To: DoorGunner

When

—BIAS
—!!!!TRADITION!!!!
—RUBBERIZED DICTIONARIES
—RUBBERIZED BIBLES
—RUBBERIZED HISTORIES

and the like rule

accurate histories, accurate Bibles, accurate dictionaries don’t stand a chance in such cognitions.


656 posted on 07/10/2009 2:27:11 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: DoorGunner
...the elections caused the appointment.

Nope, try again.

In which election was Hitler duly elected Chancellor?

658 posted on 07/10/2009 2:28:45 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: DoorGunner

You wrote:

“Is there ANY reason to imagine that ANY elected/appointed “world authority” would be any different?”

Yes. If elected they would be replaceable. If elected, then there would have to be checks and balances or no one will agree. In other words, there’s no more reason to assume evil of it than in our own system. And yes, our system is now lead by a would be dictator and he doesn’t remotely control the world. So will you now oppose the US government? I don’t mean merely vote aginst Obama. Will you oppose THE VERY IDEA of a US government?

“If you were smart, just play along for a minute, you would have realized that THE WORLD is a state with no history of subsidiarity in politics.”

False. First, we have it in a secular mode. We call it federalism. Second, the fact that subsidiarity doesn’t exist as much as we would like doesn’t mean it shouldn’t. you are assuming the lack of a thing means that it should not exist.

“Principles are fine things. I think everybody should express their principles. I do not think anyone should call for a “world authority,” to redistribute wealth and bring about disarmament, and imagine that such an authority would actually follow any principle.”

You assume it won’t. You are just assuming.


675 posted on 07/10/2009 4:25:40 PM PDT by vladimir998
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