Posted on 07/07/2009 10:30:02 AM PDT by TheRiverNile
I don't have a problem with that, but that is not what I thought you were saying. When you used the word, "socialism" it evokes certain political conotations.
Enter the Pope. The Pope look everyone we should want to strive to treat all as equals. To love thy neighbor. To not be greedy. The Pope should say to CEO’s. Look hey guys we don’t care if you make alot of money but why not share that wealth with your workers?
Why do you have a problem with the Pope saying that?
No, I don't have any problem with the Pope saying that.
I think individuals should want to “share the wealth”. It doesn’t requirement Governments to forcibly redistribute wealth.
I agree with you about this.
If instead of building 50 million dollar houses you settle for a 5 million dollar house and use the rest of the money for charity would that be so bad?
No, that wouldn't be bad at all. You might want to consider, though, the economic benefits generated even by an evil rich guy's building of a 50 million dollar house, would necessarily employ a lot of people, which is also a good thing.
Economic equality is members of society not abusing their power and position for ridiculous fortunes that were far out of the realm of reasonable.
It depends on who is deciding what is "reasonable".
Greed is a horrible horrible thing in this world.. but I’m not saying Governments should force people not to be greedy. What I’m saying is that the Pope has every right to encourage the world to work together more.
I can agree with you on that. It's just when the Pope starts talking about redistribution of wealth (by force of government - if that's the what the Pope really means; i.e., if it's not just the doublespeak of a bunch of crazy Italians) that I stray off the plantation.
Cordially,
Any global goverment will be this first:
2nd Thessalonians 2
The Revealing of the Man of Sin
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 1 Thes. 4.15-17
2 that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; Dan. 11.36 so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, Is. 11.4 and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, Mt. 24.24
10 and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
And they want to redistribute my little pittance?
I agree with you.
Actually, the revealing of the man of sin will be well down the road of the establishment of the global government.
The global government has been in power, under the table for many decades, at least.
Have you read any of the quotes since 1900 ref’d in my tagline?
A group of buddies don’t just get together on Friday and decide by Monday afternoon they’ll spring the man of sin on the world.
Satan’s been woking on it for millenia.
And the elite ruling families human cabal with ET/fallen angel complicity has been working on it for at least 100 years. Some folks say 400 years.
It would appear that we are not meaningfully communicating.
When I say that I was not talking about working in any honorable way to support PEACE AND JUSTICE and that working in an honorable way would NOT include having anything to do with a global government . . .
Then you post a non-sequitir:
You come back with a global government would first come on the scene by revealing the man of sin.
It seems like the major contribution you reply to my posts with is yet another non-sequitir.
Puzzling.
Do you understand that I was NOT talking about supporting any shade or part or aspect of any global government when I mentioned working in any honorable way in behalf of peace and justice?
And not in power.
But it will not come to full power until guess who empowers it.
I suppose it depends on what one means by ‘full power’
They’ve been controlling wars, economics, trade, etc. for at last one hundred years quite effectively.
Millions have died by the hand of their control in those decades. That was full enough for the folks that died.
I’ll ask again . . .
Did you understand or not understand
that my affirmation of a willingness to work in behalf of peace and justice in any honorable way had nothing to do with any global government at all.
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If you are not willing to have a genuine dialogue, my motivation to respond much at all to you will diminish dramatically.
Good. Thanks.
I don’t know what percentage of the beast’s empowerment will come from
‘organized “Christianity.”
The empowerment form hell is more than tokenism!
They teach false doctrine.
Think about it.
It's not tokenism.
When you think about the Whore and the beast what do you see
in these churches?
Of course organized “Christian” structures and organizations are rife with globalism and satanic influences and controls and hideousness.
No surprise there.
I’ll have to check how I used token . . .
Ahhhh . . . I read the post I was responding to as your seeming to believe that the major, most, essential etc. empowerment of the beast would come from “Christian” organizations.
I don’t see it that way.
He will control those organizations.
However, his chief and major empowerment is satan himself, of course—essentially being satan incarnate . . .
His influence with and through the religious organizations will be . . . ‘merely’ . . . his tentacles reaching out through all spheres of society—particularly religious—bending them toward the utter submission to and worship of himself.
No surprise there. Been predicted in Scripture a long time.
Religious/Christian org empowerments to him will be . . . significant in a sense . . . just as the MSM’s empowerment of OThuga has been significant. But all that will only be a significant component . . . probably not even driving the train, per se.
Think about it.
“Global Authority”
Is that not the beast?
Who is empowering whom?
The church will empower the beast.
The church will try to control the beast.
The beast will destroy the church.
I don't mean to offend any Catholics but I sure as hell
hope the Vatican does not have this in mind.
If so you better speak up.
Sounds like you haven’t read any of my posts regarding such.
The usual contingent of RC’s are chronically up in arms at me over such postings.
I posted a whole thread analysis of the encyclical before this last one with a strong critique of the Pope/Vatican on just those issues.
It would appear that you have not read very much of my considerable body of postings on such topics.
Joya has the links or you can find them via my hope page and threads I started.
I probably have more than a thousand or several thousand posts warning about such things—hereon.
There’s no way any branch of organized Christianity will control the beast. The beast already controls many such spheres in a growing list of “Christian” organizations.
I was dismayed that a UN globalist friend of mine ranked so high up in World Vision as one of their most successful fund raisers. He was on a Methodist church board and confessed that he didn’t even know/believe that Jesus was God! Incredible. Supposedly he repented and confessed Christ before he died.
Sheesh!
I don’t see it that way.”
The bible says so.
Without mans love of GOD he will worship the creature instead.
Without Love of GOD evil will rein.
Believe it my Christian friend.
You are all that stands between the world and the reign of evil.
I usually avoid these threads.
But this one alarmed me.
Don't care to see Christians argue.
I can’t think of a single Scripture that says it as you do.
. . . in terms of the beast’s major EMPOWERMENT coming form Christian orgs.
The NEUTERED Christian orgs can hardly power their own hollow hogwash.
The most they can do is encourage members/followers to submit, join the beasts train. But most are already complicit brain dead deluded slaves of the beast already.
Can’t copy your last two lines but I agree with them, of course.
Holy Spirit within authentic believers, including me.
Not me, in my humanness, per se.
When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. 7Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
9”This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.
12”The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”
15Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God's words are fulfilled. 18The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”
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Acts 7
38This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
39To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,
40Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
41And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.
42Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?
43Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
Babylon.
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