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To: Albion Wilde
I'm sorry if I still wasn't clear. I'll try to be explicit: I don't believe anybody here was suggesting that such therapy could be forced on anybody. Never said it and never believed it. I was responding to a specific question in a previous comment about not extending special rights and protections to homosexuals based on the fact that it is a choice.

It would seem to me that if the state rightfully denies rights and protections based on a choice it would be because it disapproves of that choice in some fashion. If the state disapproves and the choice deserves no protection why shouldn't/wouldn't the state step in and interfere with the choice to begin with? Isn't that exactly the sort of grubbing and interference that states always grab for?
36 posted on 07/07/2009 11:48:08 AM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: TomOnTheRun
It would seem to me that if the state rightfully denies rights and protections based on a choice it would be because it disapproves of that choice in some fashion. If the state disapproves and the choice deserves no protection why shouldn't/wouldn't the state step in and interfere with the choice to begin with? Isn't that exactly the sort of grubbing and interference that states always grab for?

This is not like the choice of a Mazda vs a Honda. The things the state is on the fence about denying are special rights for GLBTs that trump the rights of citizens in general, such as the hate crimes proposals, making punishments for crimes against them more severe than for crimes against the elderly, pregnant women, children, or other much more culturally significant groups. Another of their special demands is marriage, even if it is motivated primarily by wanting to qualify for benefits funds, while having no intention of fidelity. And, the aforementioned shoehorning into all schools explicit instructions for how to live the way they do, paid for by the taxpayer, with no opt-outs allowed.

Other special rights are wanting to make it illegal for churches to read the Biblical warnings against homosexual conduct, and to fine and imprison pastors who do so, as their counterparts in Europe have already done. They want to be hired as workers and as teachers in religious organizations and then prevent "discriminatory" language at churches. They have shut down the Catholic adoption agency already in Massachusetts, because there, gay marriage is legal, but Catholics will not place children for gay adoption.

Their purpose in campaigning for marriage is not so much about marriage as it is for wanting the state to grant them an official stamp of approval for their behavior; and next on the list, as evidenced by lawsuits and journal articles, is to lower the age of sexual consent to 12, or to abolish it ocmpletely, giving them full access to sex with infants and children. Unchecked, their movement will destroy society, and any natural rights of pregnant women, natural mothers and natural fathers, just as the birth control movement disguised its true agenda: fascist eugenics.

39 posted on 07/07/2009 12:11:18 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (If ten percent is good enough for Jesus, it ought to be good enough for Uncle Sam. --Ray Stevens)
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