Posted on 07/06/2009 6:19:17 AM PDT by tobyhill
‘There was no hearsay nor innuendo about him grabbing his crotch in front of millions of viewers and suffering no legal consequences for public lewdness’
I must have missed it, when did this happen?
‘You read factual reports of his having test-tube babies of a different race with a surrogate, while millions of his own racial group were trying to rise above discrimination because of their color — did you not witness those photographs over a period of years? These actions are perverse; his money insulated him’
It was weird and not really the normal behaviour, but it does not perverse or neither him having test babies of a different race makes him a paedophile. The way things stand there is no such proof of activity from a legal viewpoint.
So he is guilty because Nancy grace thinks so? What a ridiculous piece of logic and reasoning.
“So he is guilty because Nancy grace thinks so? What a ridiculous piece of logic and reasoning.”
Nancy Grace is a leftist as you can get. She is also a lawyer and followed the case. I just thought if they typical conservative couldn’t wake you up - maybe a leftist like Nancy Grace could. It’s obvious the MJ was a pedophile but like the OJ case, skin color is what mattered and he was acquitted.
So lets look at your logic.
Nancy Grace is a leftist ( says who? because she took the side against the Duke lacross players? ).
Jackson is a leftist ( bizarre as Jackson himself did not share his political views or openly supported any political party).
So Jackson is guilty because Nancy Grace thinks he is!
Never mind the absence of any legal conviction or evidence.
Never mind an nearly white jury threw out the charges against Jackson and found he had no case to answer unlike OJ whose trial actually went to court.
I must have missed it, when did this happen?
Lord! He was famous for it. It was a central part of his act for years. Where have you been? Just search "Michael Jackson crotch grab" on YouTube -- if you must.
As for the rest of your post, you are avoiding facing up to the truth of how perverse he was in so many ways besides whether or not he touched children. Here's the dictionary definition of pervert. I'd say he fit the bill on the great majority of the dozen definitions listed.
“So lets look at your logic.
Nancy Grace is a leftist ( says who? because she took the side against the Duke lacross players? ).”
Again, clear thinking people see Nancy Grace as a leftist. Immediately Nancy sides against white people. Duke Lacross is just one example. Time after time, she’l belittle and critize WHITE folks over black. She will go to an extreme to do this.
I don’t think it is a mystery that The Anthony girl is as guilty as hell in murdering her little girl. Yet before the trial even starts, she’ll go to the trouble of looking up who is and was on DEATH ROW in Florida to show BLACK females are on there more than WHITE females. COLOR has nothing to do with that but even on that nancy Grace will highlight SKIN COLOR. I hope CAsey Anthony gets capital punishment but NOT because of her SKIN COLOR. So yes, there are numerous examples of Nancy Grace and her LEFTIST legalistic views and even SHE GETS IT that MJ is a PERVERT and a CHILD MOLESTER. I thought you might relate better to LEFTISTS because you are a leftist.
“Jackson is a leftist ( bizarre as Jackson himself did not share his political views or openly supported any political party).”
You might want to read up on him. He is a LEFTIST.
“So Jackson is guilty because Nancy Grace thinks he is!”
Round and round you go. You sound like an idiotic polly parrot. Yes, Nancy Grace is a leftie like you.
“Never mind the absence of any legal conviction or evidence.”
I suppose you are referring to MJ? There were mountains of eveidence but his SKIN COLOR like OJ is what got him off. I KNOW you are not a lawyer and yes, even Nancy Grace, a lawyer sees through MJ’s getting off, when GUILTY of being a child molester, which he is. MJ was a predator.
“Never mind an nearly white jury threw out the charges against Jackson and found he had no case to answer unlike OJ whose trial actually went to court.”
People were intimidated. Like the OJ situation, riots were promised and BLACKS were the majority. Gregh, you nearly ALWAYS side with the LEFT. There is no getting through to you ... I’m so blessed to not be a brainless leftist.
Have a nice night!
So I am also a Leftie eh?
So what are you a high school dropout? your thinking and reasoning is bizarre.
If you are so supportive of Nancy Grace’s views then it shows much about your views.
There is no legal conviction of MJ anywhere. I dont care about Nancy Grace or whatever rest of the idiots think.
If small minded, brainless, boofheads like you are calling themselves conservatives, then no wonder the conservative movement is floundering.
Just search “Michael Jackson crotch grab” on YouTube — if you must.’
Ok I did see some aspect of it. Thats the way he usually danced. Is it pervy? Maybe. Public lewdness? Doubtful.
Granted he was bizarre, no role model but child molestor allegations are doubtful.
Over the weekend the older blacks where I work were reading all they could on MJ and praising to the hilt his talent that they were not aware of before all they read. It is clearly an OJ thing repeating itself. They don’t see MJ’s pathetic life.
The guy never had a childhood, he had a very abusive, abnormal upbringing, always in the spotlight, and it's clear to me that emotionally his growth was stunted at a young age. So in that respect, he was basically a child in an adult's body.
He had also been used and exploited his entire life, first by the person who he should've been able to trust the most (his father) and then by countless other people who just wanted to make a buck off of him.
It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that he wanted to re-capture his lost childhood by doing things kids do (he said in an interview his favorite things were climbing trees and water balloon fights) and creating his Neverland ranch, etc. He also stated that he loved children because of their honesty, innocence and joy and that he could never hurt a child.
Things we also know: (that aren't speculation) He did a lot of good things, he holds the record for giving to more charities than any other celebrity, he founded his own charitable organization, he wrote a number of songs that promoted racial harmony and inspired people to do good things (man in the mirror, heal the world, we are the world, etc) not to mention the fact that he was gifted and musically brilliant, he made music for 4 decades that made people happy, which is why he is considered a legendary entertainer. So, considering that he did more good than most, let me ask, does a bad tree produce good fruit? (to borrow a biblical principle)
Don't get me wrong, he obviously had many deep-rooted issues and problems. And sadly, to ease his pain he relied on prescription drugs, and he did make a lot of bad choices and unfortunately set himself up for his fall. But that doesn't necessarily mean he is guilty of those crimes. So instead of speculating and jumping to conclusions without having been there ourselves, let's look at some facts: 1) He was an easy target. 2) There are plenty of people who want to get rich quick from a guy like him (and imo the Chandler situation pointed more towards extortion than a genuine case of child molestation, Evan Chandler was all too eager to get money from MJ, instead of fighting for true justice which would be what a parent of an actual molestation victim would want, not money) 3) He was legally acquitted of all charges.
The above doesn't mean that I'm concluding he was innocent...or guilty. But unlike the O.J case, where my gut feeling was that OJ was guilty as sin, in this case I don't think Michael was the evil monster his accusers are making him out to be, so instead of jumping to conclusions either way on his guilt or innocence, I'll just let God be the judge, because God IS the only true judge. And as a believer i'll say that I truly hope MJ's name is in the book of life, because I really hope he will finally have the peace that he never had during his life.
One more thing. It's one thing to share your thoughts on this or speculate, but once again I have to say I'm disgusted and saddened by the hateful, arrogant, extremely judgmental mob mentality that I see here on this site, on this topic, (and others, for that matter) the way you guys label him and condemn him as being lower than pondscum. I think that says more about you guys, than MJ or anyone else. I don't think you have an idea of how it comes across.
People are not celebrating his personal troubles and problems, they're giving credit where it IS due, he was the most famous entertainer in the world, he had almost 40 years of contributions to music, millions of people grew up with his music, and he was an inspiration to lots of other artists, he's considered a legendary performer, the way Elvis or the Beatles are, THAT is what people are paying tribute to. And all that was despite his difficult and painful personal experiences, so I think that is why people have sympathy for him, but that doesn't mean that they're paying tribute to his flaws or messed up personal life, as some of you seem to be suggesting.
Ok, I wrote too much here. I'll leave you with a video, a pepsi commercial he did that I think is eerily meaningful. I hope you watch it.
hmm, not sure if we can embed YT videos on this site, it's not showing up in the preview... so here's the link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6P559-Zji0
McDonald’s has a new sandwich to honor Michael Jackson, the McJackson - - a six inch wiener in a twelve year old bun.
Hollywood is also planning a big memorial event and they are serving caviar because it comes on little white crackers...
The Jackson worship center is a mosque. I wouldn’t trust those cookies.
You will not convince me, so let’s drop it. My concern is for children who were used and confused by their parents by being allowed to sleep with an unrelated adult male in his bed, which he admitted to in many interviews. That alone is child abuse; and that is my point: the media and persons like yourself are not considering the victims, and the youth who will continue to be lulled by his luridly bad example now that he is once again being idolized. Please do not reply any more, since we do not agree.
Hear me now, believe me later.
I agree that the civil suit settlements open the door to credible accusations. But the Duke guy is not kamizar status the way a leftist celebrity is, especially after death. It’s all the triangulation. I don’t fault talk show hosts who want to save their shots for bigger game. At the same time, I’m rooting for Congressman King. God bless him for his courage.
I hope some people sneak you-tube shots in that worship center. There will be the freak show types there who are going to make complete asses of themselves.
Jackson's child rape victims tended to be white. I doubt he could have adopted a white boy - unlike the Duke University gay pedophile who was able to adopt a black child to rape.
I suspect he bought the use of a womb to create white children ( none of his sperm was used) that he had total control over.
Were there ever accusations of him molesting or "paying off" the parents of a black child?
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