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Youthful Ideals Shaped Obama Goal of Nuclear Disarmament
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Posted on 07/04/2009 1:22:40 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

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To: usmcobra

Whenever I see that pic, one word comes to mind: PUNK.


21 posted on 07/04/2009 1:48:20 PM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: Sub-Driver

The toothpaste ain’t goin’ back in the tube. No way, no how.


22 posted on 07/04/2009 1:49:23 PM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: WeatherGuy

Fine. Now how about we come up with some grades. That shouldn’t be too much trouble for the NYT. How about someone, anyone he knew him about this time? How about his drug use?
It’s getting very frustrating.


23 posted on 07/04/2009 1:53:31 PM PDT by ab01
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To: Sub-Driver

“...with their billion dollar erector sets...”

How do schools like Columbia tolerate 5th grade thinking expressed in this manner.

Sophomoric, indeed.


24 posted on 07/04/2009 1:57:22 PM PDT by norge
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To: Sub-Driver
said little about how to achieve the utopian dream.

Well, that's how he ran his campaign and is running his Presidency.

25 posted on 07/04/2009 2:01:17 PM PDT by CaptRon
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To: Sub-Driver

Obama the educated idiot.

There is only ONE thing that brings a nuclear weapon free world.

Global democratization.

When no nation need fear another, then we will be there.

Until then. Peace through strength and aggressive encouragement of democracy around the globe.

Obama is a dangerous fool.


26 posted on 07/04/2009 2:03:08 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Sub-Driver
The man is a product of 1960s Marxist-Alinsky street rabble.

That is pretty much the entire scope of his knowledge of the United States of America.

What does he know of the real history of the United States of America?

The German press wondered why there was not much contact between Merkel and Obama during his recent trip. Obama pointed out the many items on his tight schedule including "having to go to Normandy."

Having to go to Normandy? Did he know what Normandy was about? I doubt that Marxist-Alinsky street rabble ever mentioned D-Day, nothing to trash America about. We were allies of the U.S.S.R.

27 posted on 07/04/2009 2:09:29 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: norge
How do schools like Columbia tolerate 5th grade thinking expressed in this manner.

A.A.

28 posted on 07/04/2009 2:17:45 PM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to...." ;)
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To: ab01

How about we just see his college transcripts? That’s another item over which the MSM would hound a Republican politician to the grave over.


29 posted on 07/04/2009 2:39:07 PM PDT by Spok (Proud father of a Marine in the 1/1.)
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To: bgill

...and some of us were training to go to war when he was occupying space at Columbia. It would be interesting to see his transcript and to find out how he paid for his exceelent adventure there.


30 posted on 07/04/2009 2:55:29 PM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: Sub-Driver

The same school where he graduated without honors, had less than a 3.6 GPA and wasn’t in the top 25% of his class yest still got into Harvard Law.


31 posted on 07/04/2009 2:57:42 PM PDT by FTJM
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What we need to start doing is to:

Stop calling the media MainStream

The liberal press is the ones that told us they were mainstream.
It's all BS, we need to stop it and stop it now.
Lets not let them control the language too. Damn its just annoying to keep hearing this.

32 posted on 07/04/2009 2:59:35 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (o)...Ayatollah of GlennBeckistan... keep it goin' brother...(o)
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To: maccaca; Sub-Driver; Marine_Uncle; Fred Nerks; SolidWood; NormsRevenge; SunkenCiv
Zero is looking like a sleep cell everyday.
He’s going to bury America just as Gorbechev burried Soviet Union.

Sure seems to be the plan....

33 posted on 07/04/2009 3:18:13 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Sub-Driver; All

For those who are interested, here is the asinine, juvenile article I transcribed from the crappy PDF it was available in. Good luck getting through it...

BREAKING THE WAR MENTALITY
By Barack Obama
March 10, 1983
The Sundial

Most students at Columbia do not have firsthand knowledge of war. Military violence has been a vicarious experience, channeled into our minds to television, film, and print.

The more sensitive among us struggle to extrapolate experiences of war from our everyday experience, discussing the latest mortality statistics from Guatemala, sensitizing ourselves to our parents war time memories, or incorporating into our framework of reality as depicted by a Mailer or a Coppola. But the taste of war-the sounds and chill, the dead bodies-are remote and far removed. We know that wars have occurred, will occur, are occurring, but bringing such experience down into our hearts, and taking continual, tangible steps to prevent war, becomes a difficult task. Two groups on campus, Arms Race Alternatives (ARA) and Students Against Militarism (SAM) work within these mental limits to foster awareness and practical action necessary to counter the growing threat of war. Through the emphasis of the two groups differ, they share an aversion to current government policy. These groups, visualizing the possibilities of destruction and grasping the tendencies of distorted national priorities, are throwing their weight into shifting America off the dead-end track.

“Most people my age remember well the air raid drills in school, under the desk with our heads tucked between our legs. Older people, they remember the Cuban missile crisis. I think those kinds of things left an indelible mark on our souls, so we are more apt to be concerned” says Don Kent, assistant director of programs and student activities at Earl Hall center. Along with the community Volunteer Service Center, ARA has been Don’s primary concern, coordinating various working groups of faculty, students, and staff members, while simultaneously seeking the ever elusive funding for programs.

“When I first came here two years ago, Earl Hall had been a holding tank for five years. Paul Martin (director of Earl Hall) and I discussed our interests, and decided that ARA would be one of the programs we pushed.” Initially, most of the work was done by non-student volunteers and staff. “Hot issues, particularly El Salvador, were occupying students at the time. Consequently, we cosponsored a lot of activities with community organizations like SANE (Students Against Nuclear Energy).”

With the flowering of the nuclear freeze movement, and particularly the June 12 rally in Central Park, however, student participation has expanded. One wonders whether this upsurge stems from young people’s penchant for the latest ‘happenings’ or from growing awareness of the consequences of nuclear holocaust. ARA Maintains a mailing list of 500 persons and Don Kent estimates that approximately half of the active members are students. Although he feels the continuity is provided by the faculty and staff members, student attendance at ARA sponsored events-in particular in November 11 convocation on the nuclear threat-reveals a deep reservoir of concern. “I think students on this campus like to think of themselves as sophisticated, and don’t appreciate small vision. So they tend to come out more for the events; they do not want to just fold leaflets.”

Mark Bigelow, a graduate intern from Union theological seminary who works with Don to keep ARA running smoothly, agrees. “It seems the students here are fairly aware of the nuclear problem, and it makes for an underlying frustration. We try to talk to that frustration.” Consequently, the thrust of ARA is towards generating dialogue which will give people a rational handle on this controversial subject. This includes bringing speakers like Daniel Ellsberg to campus, publishing fact sheets compiled by interested faculty, and investigating the possible development of an interdisciplinary program in the Columbia curriculum dealing with peace, disarmament, and world order.

Tied in with such a thrust is the absence of what Don calls “a party line.” By taking an almost apolitical approach to the problem, ARA hopes to get the university to take nuclear arms issues seriously. “People don’t like having their intelligence insulted,” says Don, “so we try to disseminate information and allow the individual to make his or her own decision.”

Generally, the narrow focus of the freeze movement as well as academic discussions of first versus second strike capabilities, suit the military industrial interests, as they continue adding to their billion dollar erector sets. When Peter Tosh sings that “everybody’s asking for peace, but nobody’s asking for justice,” one is forced to wonder whether disarmament or arms control issues, severed from economic and political issues, might be another instance of focusing on the symptoms of a problem instead of the disease itself. Mark Bigelow does not think so. “We do focus primarily on catastrophic weapons. Look, we say, here’s the worst part let’s work on that. You’re not going to get rid of the military in the near future, so lets at least work on this.”

Mark Bigelow does feel that the links are there, and points to fruitful work being done by other organizations involved with disarmament. “The freeze is one part of a whole disarmament movement. The lowest common denominator, so to speak. For instance, April 10-16 is Jobs for Peace week, With a bunch of things going on around the city. Also, the New York City Council may pass a resolution April calling for greater social as opposed to military spending. Things like this may dispel the idea that disarmament is a white issue, because how the government spends its revenue affects everyone.”

The very real advantages of concentrating on a single issue is leading the national freeze movement to challenge individual missile systems, while continuing the broader campaign. This year, Mark Bigelow sees the checking of Pershing II and Cruise missile deployment as crucial. “Because of their small size and mobility, their deployment will make possible arms control verification far more difficult, and will cut down warning time for the Soviets to less than 10 minutes. That can only be a destabilizing factor.” Additionally, he sees the initiation by the US of the Test Ban Treaty as a powerful first step towards a nuclear free world.

ARA encourages members to join buses to Washington and participate in a March 7-8 rally intended to push through the Freeze resolution which is making its second trip through the house. ARA will also ask United Campuses to Prevent Nuclear War (UCAM), an information lobbying network-based and universities, nationwide, to serve as its advisory board in the near future. Because of its autonomy from Columbia (which does not fund political organizations) UCAM could conceivably become a more active arm of disarmament campaigns on campus, though the ARA will continue to function solely as a vehicle for information and discussion.

Also operating out of Earl Hall Center, Students Against Militarism was formed in response to the passage of registration laws in 1980. An entirely student run organization, SAM casts a wider net than ARA, although for the purposes of effectiveness, they have tried to lock in on one issue at a time.

“At the heart of our organization is an anti-war focus”, says junior Robert Kahn, one of SAM’s fifteen or so active members. “From there, a lot of issues shoot forth-nukes, racism, the draft, and South Africa. We’ve been better organized when taking one issue at a time, but we are always cognizant of other things going on and collaborate frequently with other campus organizations like CISPES and REELPOLITIK.”

At this time, the current major issue is the Solomon Bill, the latest legislation from Congress to obtain compliance to registration, the law requires that all male students applying for federal financial aid submit proof of registration, or else the government coffers will close. Yale, Wesleyan, and Swarthmore have refused to comply, and plan to offer non-registrants other forms of financial aid. SAM hopes to press Columbia into following suit, though so far President Sovern and company seem prepared to acquiesce to the bill.

Robert believes students tacitly support non-registrants, though the majority did not comply. “Several students have come up to our tables and said that had they known of the ineffectiveness of prosecution, they would not have registered.” A measure of such underlying support is the 400 signatures on a petition protesting the Solomon Bill, which SAM collected the first four hours it appeared. Robert also points out that prior to registration, there were four separate bills circulating in the House proposing a return to the draft, but none ever got out of committees, and there have not been renewed efforts. An estimated half million non-registrants can definitely be a powerful signal.

Prodding students into participating beyond name signing and attending events is tricky, but SAM members seem undaunted. “A lot of the problem comes not from people’s ignorance of the facts, but because the news and statistics are lifeless. That’s why we search for campus issues like the Solomon Bill that have a direct impact on the student body, and effectively link the campus to broader issues.” By organizing and educating the Columbia community, such activities lay the foundation for future mobilization against the relentless, often silent spread of militarism in the country. “The time is right to tie together social and military issues,” Robert continues, “and the more strident the Administration becomes, the more aware people are of their real interests.

The belief that moribund institutions, rather than individuals are at the root of the problem, keep SAM’s energies alive. “A prerequisite for members of an organization like ours is the faith that people are fundamentally good, but you need to show them. and when you look at the work people are doing across the country, it makes you optimistic.”

Perhaps the essential goodness of humanity is an arguable proposition, but by observing the SAM meeting last Thursday night, with its solid turnout and enthusiasm, one might be persuaded that manifestations of our better instincts can at least match the bad ones. Regarding Columbia’s possible compliance, one comment in particular hit upon an important point with the Solomon Bill, “The thing that we need to do is expose how Columbia is talking out of two sides of its mouth.”

Indeed, the most pervasive malady of the collegiate system specifically, and the American experience generally, is that elaborate patterns of knowledge and theory have been disembodied from individual choices and government policy. What the members of ARA and SAM try to do is infuse what they have learned about the current situation, bring the words of that formidable roster on the face of Butler Library, names like Thoreau, Jefferson, and Whitman, to bear on the twisted logic of which we are today a part. By adding their energy and effort in order to enhance the possibility of a decent world, they may help deprive us of a spectacular experience-that of war. But then, there are some things we shouldn’t have to live through in order to want to avoid the experience.


34 posted on 07/04/2009 3:45:42 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
We should be reminded,it is not so much what zero may think on a given subject, but the quality and expertise of those think tanks his administration depend on giving him sound advice.
His naive ideas must be tested against people who make it their business to study foreign affairs in detail. And I am sure some are giving him a education as how the Russians at large operate. Just for instance. I believe I heard the term used by someone on a Heritage Panel discussion days back use the term... one foot in the past (Cold War), regarding Russia's over all attitudes toward dealing with the west. Then I hear him supposedly making this quote.
We can see since he took office much of what he thought regarding the military is now changed. It now appears it is not imperative to close Gitmo in haste. He admits there are some regardless of where terrorist should be sent, which are to dangerous to be put in a place where they may be freed.
He is like a kid that is placed in a high place of office, say the POTUS. Then finds out he knows shit about anything of real consequence.
But he and his masters are clever. They knew the US position to start draw downs in Iraq and increase the Afghanistan SASO prior to the election. Numbers for Afghanistan where discussed and made public prior to the election for those of us that remember articles that flew our way at FR and those found for the past few years at CENTCOM etc.. No surprises. He did not figure on the financial meltdown perpetrated by his ACORN cronies of course. So he has a real job on his hand. He figured he was going to slide into a easy four year term riding on all the work GWB got done, especially on the GWOT, and what was a fairly robust economy despite the oil issues.
Now he finds himself against a rock and a hard place. He has to produce. Something he does not seem to be prepared to do.
The POTUS is above his pay grade. And yes like most here, I am worried about his abilities to sort out the facts between offensive nuclear weapons and defensive weapons. The Russians do not want short ranged nuclear delivery systems to be on the agenda, just the long range ICBM's. They don't want us to perfect smart highly reliable ICBM interceptors. It nullifies their ability to threaten us.
Who is representing our side in these talks. I fear we shall come out on the short end of things on the nuclear issues.
35 posted on 07/04/2009 4:24:06 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Marine_Uncle
He did not figure on the financial meltdown perpetrated by his ACORN cronies of course.

Well that statement will get a lot of dispute....

what's the name of the Strategy formulated by the Professors at Columbia...Cloward-Piven Strategy?

See this:

Soros: U.S. Needs More Bailout Money

And:

Soros 2nd Biggest Housing Crisis Profiteer

36 posted on 07/04/2009 5:04:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yah may have me by the throat on that one Ernie.


37 posted on 07/04/2009 5:18:02 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: blueplum

It was actually discovered last year either a little before or after their convention.


38 posted on 07/04/2009 5:37:10 PM PDT by Albertafriend
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To: Marine_Uncle

Well...didn’t mean for it to be that dramatic....have a good 4th.


39 posted on 07/04/2009 6:11:10 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
And you also. Had to work today. But the crowds where to a minimum. I got to actually chat with some fellow associates for a change and not get constantly interrupted when attempting to do shelf maintenance.
I'm not totally convince Obama actually had visions, whatever of the financial markets going bonzai as they did in such a way that would open up such opportunities for him and his cronies to do what they have done.
I think they as we all have carefully noted, have taken total advantage of the situation, with the knowledge their moves would weaken the country further.
Perhaps time will show a definitive answer to this question.
How would they have anticipated for instance that GWB would have allowed Henry Paulson to take charge as happened. Things could have turned out a lot different had the Feds not elected to bail out AIG and the large banking systems with the original TARP monies.
Many banks here and elsewhere would have been up the creek without a paddle but the current thumbs up to piss trillions away on follow ups once the zero was anointed would not perhaps come to past. Just thoughts I try to keep in mind.
It is the day we want to relax a bit and think of how great a nation we have and all those over the two hundred and fifty some years that have given in so many areas of life to make this Republic the greatest nation the world has witness thus far in it's long history.
So don't feel you have to respond. Besides it is getting late on the east coast. Once all the noise settles down from the kids in the neighborhood trying their best to ruin their ears, I will hit the sack.
Shame, probably 100% of them don't have a clue as to what we are supposed to be actually celebrating.
At least there are a few tens of millions of us left that understand just how precious liberty and freedom really is, and how difficult it can be to keep it.
Happy birthday United States of America. You did what some only dreamed for thousands of years could come to past in principle.
40 posted on 07/04/2009 7:45:48 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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