Posted on 07/02/2009 4:35:59 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA
The anti-gun crowd has their propaganda machine in full gear in Arizona and Tennessee. Tennessee recently overrode their governor's veto of a bill allowing concealed carry license holders to carry their defensive firearms into restaurants that serve alcohol (provided they do not drink themselves) and Arizona is currently considering similar legislation.
"When you're in a bar, you're supposed to be out having fun, so leave the gun at home," said Eileen Conners of Larry's Cocktails, expressing her opposition to the Arizona bill.
I'm going to guess her agenda is not only that she doesn't like guns, but also that since this bill prohibits drinking alcohol while armed that it would therefore cut into profits if they only had non-alcoholic beverages to drink. Of course, a customer killed by a robber will probably affect sales as well.
In Tennessee, where the new law is being challenged in court, they've taken to outright lying to the public while levying hideous insults against gun owners.
"We apparently are going to have 225,000 vigilantes shooting in bars," said David Smith, one of the attorneys for the opposition.
Calling gun owners vigilantes is a common tactic by anti-gun pundits. Attack the reputation of gun owners and try to turn the public against them. Defending your life isn't taking the law into your own hands regardless of whether you're at home in bed or out with friends. This statement is also supposing that all 225,000 permit holders in Tennessee regularly visit bars, though the reality is that this kind of legislation most commonly affects patrons at ordinary restaurants that happen to include alcoholic beverages on the menu.
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If you are going to drink you should not handle a firearm just as you should not drive.
Doesnt matter where you are.
We always have one of the party who drinks tea or ice water as the "designated driver" anyhow. So he or she can be the "designated defender" as well.
Concealed Carry License holders are less likely to commit crimes with a gun, than law enforcement officers. This needs to be repeated over and over.
Jose Cuervo you are a friend of mine...
Did I dance on the bar? Did I shoot out the lights? I had too much tequila last night
Those little shooters, how I love to drink em down.
In most states it is legal to drink and drive as long as you don't exceed a blood alcohol level of .08%. A CCL holder is far less likely to have an accident with a handgun, than the average driver is to have one with a car. What's more, cars are more deadly.
Did I dance on the bar? Did I shoot out the lights? I had too much tequila last night
You are obviously the sort of person who should neither drink nor handle a gun.
It’s perfectly legal in many states......and guess what? No CCW holders get into shootouts.
Please find me one example of when this has happened. in the past 4 years.
Just one.
The whole damn argument from the anti-gunners is projection: a projection of their own personal demons onto the law-abiding. These people, like leftist idiots, are emotional children who never grew up past 13. They are afraid of guns because they KNOW that if they had a gun and got angry, they’d fly off the handle and shoot something, because they can’t control themselves, being drama queens and all. So they think everyone else is same. Those of us who are adults know that you never pull a gun because you’re angry at somebody, just like you don’t grab the kitchen butcher knife, or kick, or grab a rock.
Hi Eileen. I’ve been to your bar before. I’ll likely go there again. I never go unarmed. My life is too important to me not to take this common-sense precaution. So I will be armed in your bar whether you like it or not.
I’m not there to cause trouble. I’m not there to be at the mercy of your chuckle-headed social policies either. I will make sure that I make it home safe & sound.
Since I’m going to be there (armed) wouldn’t you rather I do it legally? How does it enhance your position to make a potential criminal out of us?
Do you have a reference for that — I want to use it in a column.
What if you’re riding a horse and wearing a sixgun?
Which is why the law specifically states that it does not change the provision in the CCL law which states that it is illegal to exercise your carry privileges when you are consuming any alcohol.
If you are drinking anywhere in TN, bar, restaurant, out on the lake or walking down the street, if you are carrying concealed you are breaking the law.
I’m not concerned about me having a gun in a bar, its the other drunks that concern me.
Three Men Killed in Winnemucca Shooting on Sunday
Posted: May 25, 2008 08:35 PM PDT
Deputies with the Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office are investigating a shooting in Winnemucca early Sunday morning that left three people dead and others injured.
The shooting happened at the Player’s Bar & Grill on South Grass Valley Road.
Investigators say a feud between two local families is behind the early-morning shooting inside the bar. Three men from Winnemucca died from gunshot wounds, and two others are in critical condition at the hospital.
Deputies say about 2:25 a.m., 30-year-old Ernesto Villa Gomez walked into the bar and starting shooting. 20-year-old Jose Torres and his 19-year-old brother Margarito Torres were killed. When Villa Gomez was reloading his semi-automatic gun, a man from Reno took out a gun and shot Villa Gomez. That man has a concealed weapons permit.
The unidentified man who shot Villa Gomez is not expected to be charged in this incident; law enforcement call it a justifiable homicide.
Local police, the Sheriff’s Office and the Nevada Highway Patrol are preparing for retaliation from one or both of the families, and rumors are already circulating in the small town of Winnemucca. There is a sense of sadness for losing three local men in this violent incident.
The Player’s Bar & Grill was full of about 300 people, because a local biker event “Runnemucca” is going on this holiday weekend.
Sheesh what a bunch of sensitive people.
If you are drunk and carrying a firearm you are asking for something bad to happen.
As far as sensitivity goes, I think you should be a little more sensitive about handing the anti-gunners a stick to beat gun owners with.
“Of course, which is why the law expressly provides that you can occupy the bar or restaurant if you’re toting, but can’t drink.”
And thats fine.
“As far as sensitivity goes, I think you should be a little more sensitive about handing the anti-gunners a stick to beat gun owners with.”
How on earth am I handing them anything? Guns are tools and need to be handled appropriately. Just as you don’t hand a 3 year old a loaded handgun you shouldn’t get drunk and try handling a firearm.
You also shouldn’t get up on ladders, pack parachutes, use power tools, or make ‘cool’ comments to cute girls in the bar.
Your qualification was late and weak.
Guns + DRUNK is not the issue. We are talking about allowing CCW in places that serve alcohol, liberals are trying to claim the law is allowing drunks to carry guns.
Don't help them.
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