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The Winner in Honduras: Chávez
NYT ^ | June 30, 2009 | ÁLVARO VARGAS LLOSA

Posted on 07/01/2009 2:43:33 AM PDT by SolidWood

IN the weeks leading up to Honduras’s coup, President Manuel Zelaya, an ally of Hugo Chávez of Venezuela, knew what he was doing. In pushing the limits of democracy by trying to force a constitutional change that would permit his re-election, he set a trap for the military. The military fell for it, turning an unpopular president who was nearing the end of his term into an international cause célèbre.

Although the coup has popular support in Honduras, it has also allowed Mr. Chávez, who is leading the international response, to claim the moral high ground. The coup leaders, who were trying to prevent Mr. Chávez from bringing Honduras into his fold, may end up giving him more strength in the region.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: chavez; honduras; obama; propaganda; zelaya
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1 posted on 07/01/2009 2:43:33 AM PDT by SolidWood
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To: SolidWood
The fact that this wasn't a coup, but an arrest and deportation authorized by the Legislature and the Supreme Court is completely lost in the leftist PR storm. The continued rule by civilian authorities, not the military is similarly lost.

It is more than curious how strong the US response is to Honduras when compared with the non interference stance Obama took with the Iranian election and violent suppression of the Iranian opposition.

2 posted on 07/01/2009 2:53:16 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: SolidWood

It is NOT a coup, and the only people who find Zelaya a “cause celebre” are the radical left, such as Obama and the UN.


3 posted on 07/01/2009 3:04:46 AM PDT by livius
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To: Truth29

Incidentally, I read that when Zelaya was elected, people weren’t terribly concerned because he was regarded as such a fool that he couldn’t do much harm, precisely because the country’s democratic institutions (constitution, legislature and courts) were so strong. He may have been stupid (Chavez was also regarded as a buffoon), but that didn’t stop him; in fact, maybe it helped, because he simply ignored all of Honduras’ institutions.


4 posted on 07/01/2009 3:08:06 AM PDT by livius
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To: SolidWood

I cannot believe how broken from reality the reporting on the Honduran events continue to be. A president trying to overthrow his countries constitution is a cause “celebre”? And now the Times is saying the the military fell into a trap? What, by following the orders of their elected representatives and the supreme court?

These so-called journalists covering these events should be ashamed of themselves. They state in their article that Zelaya was trying to overthrow the constitution, but they continue to call is a coup. It’s like admitting that the world sees the sky as blue, but swearing up and down that it’s really green.


5 posted on 07/01/2009 3:09:40 AM PDT by dannyboy72a (The President of the United States should not be selling me insurance)
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To: SolidWood
All of this almost guarantees a period of illegitimate rule

It is a legitimate government (it is not an illegitimate "rule.) The next in line for the Presidency was sworn in within a day. The courts, legislature, and executive branch are now functioning as they should. The election will be held in November. Of course, the NYTimes perpetrates the lie that it was a coup d'etat when it was nothing of the sort.

Krauthammer said it best. His advice to Obama: when you find yourself in agreement with Chavez, Ortega, and the Castro twins...you'd better reevaluate your position.

6 posted on 07/01/2009 3:12:26 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: dannyboy72a

Hey. These journalist have been to college.
Who are we to question them?


7 posted on 07/01/2009 3:14:20 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Probably,Columbia!


8 posted on 07/01/2009 3:29:56 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: SolidWood

“Although the coup has popular support in Honduras...”

IT WASN’T A COUP!


9 posted on 07/01/2009 3:34:31 AM PDT by Castigar
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To: Castigar

They will say “coup” over and over until it is.


10 posted on 07/01/2009 3:56:09 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: SolidWood
The NYT misses the facts that the Honduran Congress and Supreme Court authorized Zelaya’s arrest and expulsion.
11 posted on 07/01/2009 4:04:57 AM PDT by PogySailor (We're so screwed.....welcome to the American Oligarchy)
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To: SolidWood

What is it with liberal rags and dictators?


12 posted on 07/01/2009 4:38:48 AM PDT by The Duke ("Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Democrat Party?")
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To: PogySailor

They didn’t miss that fact. Hell, you couldn’t possibly miss it unless you can’t read. They simply choose to ignore it. It’s called shaping the news. It used to be called propaganda.


13 posted on 07/01/2009 4:45:34 AM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: livius
He may have been stupid (Chavez was also regarded as a buffoon), but that didn’t stop him; in fact, maybe it helped, because he simply ignored all of Honduras’ institutions.

Remind you of anyone we know? I'm not naming names, but it rhymes with lowbama

14 posted on 07/01/2009 4:49:22 AM PDT by P.O.E. ((optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: P.O.E.

I remember, until fairly recently, that people were scoffing at Obama’s ability to do harm because he’s just not very bright and didn’t seem smart enough to do it. But as we can see now, being smart isn’t important; being ruthless is.


15 posted on 07/01/2009 4:59:09 AM PDT by livius
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To: The Duke
How many pasty white Lefty Cuban sponsored spys also write this crap for the NYTs?
16 posted on 07/01/2009 5:03:21 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: livius
being smart isn’t important; being ruthless is.

Exactly the path laid out in Hayek's "Road to Serfdom". First the public accepts the premise that government can solve their problems, soon the government must choose among conflicting demands, and soon only those ruthless enough to ride roughshod take the reins.

17 posted on 07/01/2009 5:24:30 AM PDT by P.O.E. ((optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: SolidWood

it has also allowed Mr. Chávez, who is leading the international response, to claim the moral high ground.

Chavez can claim he is one of the original Jackson 5.
Poeple with intelligence and common sense have little concern for anything that Chavez “claims”...........


18 posted on 07/01/2009 5:25:57 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: SolidWood

Here’s more on Alvaro Vargas Llosa

http://www.independent.org/blog/?p=2255

Alvaro Vargas Llosa, on his way to a conference on democracy and free enterprise in Venezuela, was detained by its authorities for two hours. Thankfully, his call to the media made them back off for now. The Buenos Aires Herald reports that his passport was withheld as he was detained


19 posted on 07/01/2009 5:37:08 AM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: SolidWood

Once again, the NY Slymes have validated my choice for a tagline.
Which of the MSM will name Hugo Chavez as its “Man of the Year?”
Is there any bottom to the pit they have dug for themselves? No need to answer.


20 posted on 07/01/2009 5:53:18 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: We print the news as it fits our Views)
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