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Harold Fish Shooting Case Sent Back to Trial by Arizona Supreme Court;(AZ CCW case)
phoenix newtimes ^ | 30 May, 2009 | Ray Stern

Posted on 06/30/2009 5:41:35 PM PDT by marktwain

Harold Fish, who's serving time for shooting a man in what he calls self-defense, will get another trial.

The Arizona Supreme Court has reversed and remanded the high-profile case, sending it back for a new trial in which Fish can introduce testimony that was barred from his first go-around.

The case began in 2004, after Fish ran into Grant Kuenzli and his dogs while hiking on a lonely trail in northern Arizona. According to Fish, the only witness, Kuenzli charged aggressively at Fish after failing to control his unleashed canines. Fish pointed a his 10-millimeter handgun at Kuenzli, yelled at him to stop, and then fired three shots that hit the man in the chest.

Despite being sentenced to 10 years in prison, Fish still has plenty of public support. That's evident nowhere more clearly than in the state Legislature, which wants to write a law to help him.

Now that Fish is getting his new trial, legislators could tweak the law to allow him to use a new defense that helps people who want to claim self defense.

That would help him avoid re-conviction, obviously. But he may be able to gain freedom without it.

The Supreme Court's opinion allows Fish to introduce evidence that Kuenzli was sort of a madman about his dogs. His description of how Kuenzli reacted in the forest was similar to how other people remember Kuenzli when confronted about his dogs.

Another discrepancy seems to have come because the state disallowed Fish from having an expert witness testify that his "fight or flight" instinct could have interfered with his memory. As laid out in the court's separate memorandum decision on the case, the justices outline why it's possible that inconsistent statements Fish gave to the police could have affected his credibility before jurors -- and how Fish's state of mind after the shooting could have affected the statements.

In our amateur analysis, the conviction for Fish was probably a fluke, anyway. Give the guy a second group of Arizonans and the exact same evidence, and he would probably be acquitted.

Tags: arizona, harold fish, self defense, shooting


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: az; banglist; haroldfish; selfdefense
I have always thought that Harold got a raw deal. It seemed like an obvious case of self defense, with a prosecutor that was out to get him for some reason. The legislature vote three times to help him. The first time, the judge said the law was expost facto, and could not be used in his case; the next two times Janet Napolitano vetoed the legislation for what appeared to be trivial reasons. I have never been able to understand Napolitano's reasoning, but this case needs to be made known nationaly as an embarassment to her.
1 posted on 06/30/2009 5:41:36 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

If that DHS leak didn’t embarrass/shame her into nothing, then I doubt this will have any effect on her conscience.


2 posted on 06/30/2009 5:53:31 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: marktwain

Yes, AZ is often irrational, they claim both Nippleatano and McLame, while thankfully Maricopa County has Sheriff Joe.
What a crap shoot.


3 posted on 06/30/2009 5:53:40 PM PDT by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: marktwain
The Supreme Court's opinion allows Fish to introduce evidence that Kuenzli was sort of a madman about his dogs. His description of how Kuenzli reacted in the forest was similar to how other people remember Kuenzli when confronted about his dogs.
How in the h* could such testimony ever have been considered not relevant in a case such as this?
4 posted on 06/30/2009 5:56:13 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: marktwain

They’re shooting Fish in a barrel.


5 posted on 06/30/2009 5:56:50 PM PDT by Redcitizen (December 21, 2012; there's change for ya!)
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To: Mr. Fish

Grant Kuenzli

Gone. Thanks, Fish!


6 posted on 06/30/2009 6:02:47 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: samtheman
“How in the h* could such testimony ever have been considered not relevant in a case such as this?”

It wasn't just that. They also excluded evidence from a former girlfriend that Kuenzli had raped her, and evidence from a number of people that Kuenzli had threatened them and that they were afraid of him.

The prosecutor got the original bill to prosecute from a Grand Jury. He was then found to have acted improperly with the Grand Jury, so he said I don't need a Grand Jury, I can prosecute without one (true in Arizona) and proceeded to do so. Harold Fish had been, for all of his 56 years, a model citizen. The prosecutor used arguments such as: He had martial arts training 30 years ago. Why didn't he use his martial arts expertise to deal with Kuenzli, rather than shooting him? One of the Jurors, after the trial, said that they had convicted him because he had too powerful of a handgun (10 mm).

7 posted on 06/30/2009 6:09:23 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

What about the judge? What kind of a judge keeps such evidence out of a murder trial?


8 posted on 06/30/2009 6:12:11 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman
“What about the judge? What kind of a judge keeps such evidence out of a murder trial?”


Yes, exactly. The judge and the prosecutor seemed very eager to convict Harold. I heard rumors that Kuenzli had influential family members in the area. There has also been speculation that they meant to protect the local animal shelter (which let Kuenzli take the dogs after there had been complaints about them) from a possible lawsuit. No one has come up with a clear explanation for this persecution/prosecution, that I know of.

Harold has been sitting in jail for over three years now.

9 posted on 06/30/2009 6:16:30 PM PDT by marktwain
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Yes, I saw a story on ABC about this and remember the juror who thought that Fish had too powerful a handgun.

Bottom line is, any time you're involved in a shooting you had better lawyer up before you say anything to the police, no exceptions.

10 posted on 06/30/2009 6:21:42 PM PDT by LiveFree99
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To: LiveFree99

As I recall the first investigator that went out reported that it was clearly a self defense shooting. The prosecutor threw him off the case and sent another investigator.


11 posted on 06/30/2009 6:43:07 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: OneWingedShark
“If that DHS leak didn’t embarrass/shame her into nothing, then I doubt this will have any effect on her conscience.”

I do not think she has a “conscience” in the way that we think about it. She is a “progressive” in the way that Glenn Beck talks about them. National knowledge of her vetos to prevent a man found “not guilty” when a new trial was held, could help shed doubt on her judgement in the public eye.

12 posted on 06/30/2009 6:46:25 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Steamburg
“Yes, AZ is often irrational, they claim both Nippleatano and McLame, while thankfully Maricopa County has Sheriff Joe.
What a crap shoot.”


We are being Californicated, and have a very liberal media.

13 posted on 06/30/2009 6:54:27 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

That would be good.


14 posted on 06/30/2009 7:02:19 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: marktwain
a prosecutor that was out to get him for some reason

Of course not. That never happens. You act like prosecutors will imprison innocent men to enhance their conviction rate so that they can run for higher office or something. They're all saints of virtue, and would never do such a thing. Just look at Mike Nifong, for one sterling example.

I'll put a /sarc tag on this post if you want, but I don't think it needs it.

15 posted on 06/30/2009 7:16:35 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (I long for the days when advertisers didn't constantly ask about the health of my genital organs.)
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To: marktwain

I left Colorado because of Californication


16 posted on 06/30/2009 7:16:38 PM PDT by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: samtheman
How in the h* could such testimony ever have been considered not relevant in a case such as this?

When judges declare defense testimony "irrelevant", I suspect the reason is usually not that the testimony isn't relevant to the case at hand, but rather that it is.

17 posted on 07/01/2009 4:08:41 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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