Posted on 06/28/2009 7:14:22 PM PDT by Steelfish
"Louts who beat up old ladies and rob them in back alleys? I would bring back the lash..... "
The way he said lash- "Leashhh". I myself would not have beaten up an old lady in a back alley. I hated the man.
Damn it, where is his likes now? In the words of a member of parliament, when poor old Chamberlain was wavering.
"Who will speak for England?
Sadly we brought it on ourselves.
Although not British, as a graduate of London University, I love the British- fine people. I share your sadness and anger.
What’s worse, with the British unarmed you will see weapons pour into the mosques and handed out at the opportune moment.
It’ll be over very quickly unless their military gets involved. It’ll likely come to that but not until many have died.
What a mess.
So long as no British citizen (Britizen?) is subjected to the rule of these courts against their will I don’t see what’s wrong with it. It’s common for insulated groups of immigrants to have their own institutions like this. For example, Chinese immigrants. See Thomas Sowell’s Economics and Politics of Race, if you can find a copy.
Now, if the government gives any kind of sanction to these courts, then that’s a problem.
Hmm, hoom, something tells me that the British are like the Ents in Lord of the Rings, long-suffering and patient in the face of growing oppression, until one day the dam breaks and they do something unexpected and decisive to stop their enemy. See The Two Towers, Chapter “Treebeard.” :-)
Anyway, as I understand it, these courts rulings are only legally sanctioned because the two parties agree to it, under the law they (the court) as simply seen as arbitrators. I don’t think this means that Islam or Islamic law is codified into British law. As long as that line isn’t crossed, there’s nothing politically wrong with it.
That being said, the British, moreso than any other nation, seem to bend over backwards to appease their tiny (but loud) Muslim population.
What happens to a woman who is forced to go to one of the kangaroo courts
Anyway, as I understand it, these courts rulings are only legally sanctioned because the two parties agree to it, under the law they (the court) as simply seen as arbitrators. I don’t think this means that Islam or Islamic law is codified into British law. As long as that line isn’t crossed, there’s nothing politically wrong with it.
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Lots of Muslims flee to UK to get away from this Sharia bs. What if they are pressured into going to the Sharia court by family and friends? Islam is heavy into bullying and intimidation
That is, in fact, exactly the legal position in Britain. Statute and common law, as determined by the 'mainstream' courts, take precedence over the Sharia court. Or in other words, the judgements of the Sharia court are not binding unless the parties in the case agree to be so bound. The only legal status that the Sharia courts have is that their rulings can be taken into account by mainstream courts, but are in no way binding. (Whether participants in a Sharia dispute, especially women, are in a position to go to the mainstream courts is another matter, of course.)
Your understanding is correct (see post 28)
Sharia courts, all I can say is that’s chilling. This has no place in western society.
That is the flip side. If these Sharia courts have enforcers (or enforcement mechanisms) so that its not voluntary. I suspect that is probably the case in some instances. Ultimately, I think the Muslims want to create a shadow legal system/Government that will gradually assume the role of the legitimate one as their number increase.
Then fight the coercion, it stems from the culture, not the institution, IMO.
“Ultimately, I think the Muslims want to create a shadow legal system/Government that will gradually assume the role of the legitimate one as their number increase.”
No doubt many radical Muslims want more political control in Western nations, but can you explain the process you’re describing, and how it would be brought about? How would this shadow legal system gradually assume the role of the legitimate one? If you told me to get cracking on that, I wouldn’t know what to do.
What I’m saying is that I’m not particularly scared of this, but perhaps you’ve thought of something I haven’t.
EXACTLY-— Sharia is a shadow legal system waiting in the wings until a time opportune
If you lived in England you would be appalled and scared when you see woman in burqas all the time with at least three children in tow
How would this shadow legal system gradually assume the role of the legitimate one? If you told me to get cracking on that, I wouldn’t know what to do.
Obviously, this is just my opinion. I am not a political scientist. However, insurgencies tend to win when they gradually hollow out civil authority and people fear them more than the “legtimate” Government.
17 times? Accepted as in 'permitted' or 'believed to exist'? They thought they had 5 and found out there were really 85? It's not that large in size of a country, imagine 85 such courts dotted over the map. Kind of scary. The Brits have some more questions to ask.
A socially liberal country will revolt if it is forced to abide by Muslim law.
A socially liberal country will revolt if it is forced to abide by Muslim law.
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