Posted on 06/26/2009 1:11:44 PM PDT by Shermy
When EMTs arrived at Michael Jackson's home yesterday, the medics wanted to pronounce him dead on the scene -- but Michael's personal doctor refused to let them "call it" -- this according to sources close to the situation.
When EMTs arrived there was evidence someone had been performing CPR on Michael for "quite some time." There was evidence of Lidocaine -- an old-school drug that can be used to treat disturbances in the heart's rhythm. Medics took over performing CPR but determined Jackson was lifeless -- and wanted to call the coroner to pick up the body.
We're told Jackson was flat-lined when EMTs arrived.
But our sources say M.J.'s doc demanded EMTs continue performing CPR anyway, and demanded that they take Michael to the hospital.
Once they arrived at UCLA, we're told Jackson's doc continued to personally administer CPR -- even though it was clear Jackson was already gone.
Whatever happened to Anna Nicole's "doctor"?
The Doctor is also MISSING! Cops towed his car away as possible evidence of drugs may have been in the car.
Yep, pretty much what I suspected. When I first heard the news about Michael being taken for cardiac arrest, I thought, that he probably was already gone for at least a few hours, and this was just for show.
We have a little burg near by with full EMS services. It is EMS’s policy not to call anyone. They start CPR and ship them to the nearest hospital for the hospital to call them.
This happened with a friend about a month ago.
>> what kind of doctor leaves the victim on the bed while trying to do CPR?
First thing I thought of too. The doc is clearly incompetent.
LQ
"Goodbye, everybody!"
So whatever happened to the Beatles Catalog?
Did Paul buy it back or will it be up for sale by the Jackson estate?
Don’t quote me, if I remember what I heard ,, which may not actually be what happened.. I can’t say where I heard it for sure, one of the cable news or radio talk shows.. he and a family friend were there. and the doc, it seems ol’ joe was on better terms with michael of late.. or michael was so zigged out.. this family has had its issues over the years.. I’ll leave it at that.
There are antidotes that exist for demerol. This doctor should have known that, especially since he was the likely prescriber and administrator in MJs case. Furthermore, he should have been carrying the antidote with him along with the demerol, as this type of event (breathing slowing down and finally stopping) is not an uncommon.
Frankly, if the doctor had told the EMT that he had administered the demerol that caused MJs breathing to cease, they may have had the antidote in the truck. However, I’m not sure how long you can wait before administering the antidote. But it is effective and usually snaps the patient right out of the adverse reaction to the demerol. Though I assume the patient has to be alive for it to work.
I’m having a hard time seeing how this doc can avoid criminal charges. Hence the reason no one can find him right now. Also, if the EMTs knew MJ to be dead when they arrived, suffice to say, he was already dead before any medical help arrived, and they weren’t going to bring him back.
I love it. Where did you get it?
It figures if Old Man Jackson was there, he was the one who screwed him up in the beginning... in more ways than one.
True, but they are in direct contact with an ER doctor who can. That doctor frequently takes the verbal statements of the paramedics that would summarize, (example) "non-responsive, flatline, pupils fixed, dilated and non-reactive, no pulse, no respirations, do not believe this patient is viable" and will pronounce from the ER. An on scene physician can refuse to relinquish medical control, and it sounds like what happened here.
Medicine has become so specialized that frequently on scene paramedics will be significantly better than an MD at working with heart attack patients. They see and deal with it every day. This does not apply to ER doctors, cardiologists, and other MDs that work with cardiac patients on a regular basis. A dermatologist or other physician that specializes in a specific area may not keep up with the constantly changing methodologies of advanced trauma or cardiac work.
I don't know MJs doctor at all, but frequently, physicians who work with high dollar celebs become just part of their posse, and make decisions based on the personal desires of the celeb, rather than on sound medical criteria.
They also become emotionally involved (not suggesting romance, just that the doctor can become more of a friend, confidant, and yes, drug connection) than is healthy in a professional relationship.
Whether the doctor accidentally administered an overdose of Demerol, as has been suggested, and was desperately trying to cover his rear end, or whether he refused to accept the medical reality that MJ was dead because he was too emotionally involved, the indications of the story are that medically, he was dead, and that epinephrine, shocks, or whatever weren't going to bring him back.
I've been involved in these types of situations before, and we've continued to follow protocols to the best of our ability, transported, and let the inevitable declaration of death take place in the ER.
In 1977, when Elvis died, my grandma told me that:
“The same thing will happen to Michael Jackson”.
Which was weird because, he was no big deal yet.
I always wondered what she meant.
You know, I really wouldn’t be surprised if this “death” is a hoax staged by Michael Jackson himself.
We called that “D.R.T.” - Dead Right There.
I read yesterday that Jackson changed his will a while back and left the 50% of the catalog he still owned to McCartney .
If the person is obviously dead, it's rare, in my experience that we begin CPR. HOWEVER, you won't get in trouble for doing CPR on a dead person, you will for not doing it on a live person that is in full arrest. There have been cases of people pronounced dead waking up in the morgue. They're rare, but when they happen, it ends several careers, and creates the distinct possibility that the individual suffered irreversible damage that could have been prevented with prompt medical care. So, if I'm going to screw up, and the worst thing that can happen is he won't be dead anymore, I'm doing CPR.
In obvious cases, such as rigor mortise, loss of 1/2 of the upper head, or pooling, I wouldn't start CPR unless there was the risk of violence on scene if we didn't.
People never forget being in the room when a loved one dies. If there's ANY chance of survival, I'm going for it. If the death of the victim is a foregone conclusion, my next concern is the family. It's bad, and it's going to be bad. We won't change that. The question to me is, is the emotional damage of seeing us doing futile work, starting IVs, exposing the chest, doing compressions and possible breaking ribs, and putting a tube down the patient's throat more painful, OR, do they need the assurance in their own minds that everything that could possibly be done was done?
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