This plane is goin' down in flames, and I just wanna grab my 'chute and bail. I'll forgo the free coupons for the duty free shop, and tell your mother you loved her.
Posted on 06/24/2009 5:26:09 PM PDT by BigKahuna
We notice that the Obama administration is making a big push this week to try to recreate lost momentum on so-called "healthcare reform" in the United States Congress. It appears the once-monolithic Democrat rush to enact a comprehensive health care package that would provide health services to every man, woman and child in the country is splintering into various factions.
Reasons for this are varied, but a very large one seems to be that more than a few legislators have been stunned at the costs to provide even a third of persons currently having no health insurance with some form of coverage. Solid estimates -- from sources such as the Congressional Budget Office, for one -- predict the total cost to run up to 3.5 trillion dollars in the first decade, with about 1 trillion dollars -- for a "down payment" -- needed almost immediately. Clearly, such figures are sure to focus the attention of lawmakers wonderfully, much as the prospect of a firing squad focuses the attention of a military person, who has refused to go into battle once did.
Legislators, above all, generally worry more about getting reelected than anything else in their lives, and most -- especially moderate and so-called "Blue Dog" conservative Democrats (is there such a an animal, anymore?) -- are running for bomb shelters in anticipation of a hailstorm of constituent fury at the possibility of enacting something which is -- as we've observed before -- sure to beggar the country and completely run private insurers out of the healthcare market, leaving only the government to administer health insurance programs, eventually.
(Excerpt) Read more at entitlementsynrome.com ...
As I have read take out the illegals, the young kids who don’t even think about getting sick and those who can afford it but have the notion that they won’t need it for ions and we come down to how many.
Okay...what is the math? Hep me.
I should be the poster boy of opposition against socialized medicine.
Having had 3 heart attacks, first one at 27, last one at 37 I simply cannot afford it due to this pre-existing conditions.
I do not want ANYTHING (except secure borders and paved roads) from Uncle Sam especially their healthcare.
It was their healthcare (military doctors) that should have diagnosed me before my first attack that failed while still in the military.
I should be the poster boy of opposition against socialized medicine.
Having had 3 heart attacks, first one at 27, last one at 37 I simply cannot afford it due to this pre-existing conditions.
I do not want ANYTHING (except secure borders and paved roads) from Uncle Sam especially their healthcare.
It was their healthcare (military doctors) that should have diagnosed me before my first attack that failed while still in the military.
So, 30M uninsured into $100B = $3,333 per person per year. I have a healthcare plan that I pay about $750 per month for me, my wife, and a dependent child, or about $9,000 per year (I am in a group policy but pay full-freight - no employer subsidy or share - I know, I am not a typical policy-holder.)
So, at $3,333 x 3 of us = $10,000. So where is the frickin' savings? From my feeble math, it looks like Barry-Care will be $1,000 more expensive per year, and we KNOW there will be more costs coming for bureaucrats, waste, fraud, and lobbyist-sponsored healthcare junkets.
I know I could shop for better rates, but I like my coverage and the choices I have and I can stay with my doctor.
I know I'm missing something - so have at it....
0bama specifically said uninsured. He did not say uninsured American citizens.
If 80% or more of US citizens are ‘happy’ with their health care, that is somewhere around 60 million shy.
See Goldsmith:
The UNINSURED: 47 Million Hostages — Our Dysfunctional Health Policy Process
by Jeff Goldsmith
“What we’ve read in recent headlines was: 47 million Americans lack health insurance! Back on page 5, President Bush and Congress fight over reauthorizing the Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), which augments Medicaid coverage for children (and expires at the end of September). Looking at the data that produced the headlines makes it clearer how hard health reform is likely to be.
1. The coverage gap is widening fastest at upper incomes. Almost the entire increase in people without health insurance from 2005 to 2006 took place in families with incomes above $50,000 (median family income is $48,200). The number of uninsured people in families whose incomes were below $25,000 actually declined by about 4%.
Families with incomes above $50,000 a year account for an improbable 93% of the 2.1 million increase in the uninsured, and now represent 38% of the total uninsured in the United States. Two-thirds of the 2005-2006 increase was actually in families with incomes above $75,000!
(snip)
What we don’t know (and need to know) is exactly why nearly 18 million people whose families earn more than $50,000 a year lack health insurance. We can speculate that some of them are young, and have made what seems to them to be an intelligent gamble to “go bare” and spend the money on other things.
(snip)
The average US household presently spends about 6% of its disposable household income on healthcare; the above average income household spends much less.
(snip)
2. Non-citizens are a large part of the uninsured population. One-quarter of the 47 million uninsured are foreign born, and over 10 million are not citizens. So the correct answer to the politically incorrect Trivial Pursuit question: “How many Americans are uninsured?” is a little less than 37 million (still too many, but . . .). When you look on a map at states that have the highest percentage of uninsured, you see essentially our southern border (California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, etc.).
(NB—the usual suspect states.....)
(snip)
Even those who surmount the numerous hurdles and become legal citizens are statutorily ineligible for federally funded health benefits for five years (though some states cover them in the unmatched part of their medically indigent programs).
This is about insuring illegals and making them citizens.
http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/09/20/uninsured-increase-some-actual-facts/
“So, what we have here is a “crisis” of choice. Most of the fabled uninsured fall into two categories: people who can afford coverage but choose not to buy it and people who are eligible for government aid but choose not to apply for it.
This is not a problem that warrants a government takeover of health care.”
http://freemarketcure.com/blog/?p=186
Wouldn't that require, say, 5 million new doctors.
At least 2 million. How about half a million?
Where are they going to suddenly come from? Are you going to legislate them into existence?
Legislate that existing doctors can't retire or move?
If so, can we pass similar laws for lawyers?
If not, can we have tort reform to lower prices?
“It was their healthcare (military doctors) that should have diagnosed me before my first attack that failed while still in the military.”
One of my closest friend’s father was waiting for a heart transplant. An incarcerated man came before him. The man, former military, died.
Makes sense...Obama has 47 million uninsured in his 57 states.
Yeah and 30 million of them are illegal aliens.
“The nonpartisan CBO found that Kennedy’s plan would cover an additional 16 million people by 2019, leaving 36 million uninsured.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20090616/bs_ibd_ibd/20090616general
Bull$#!it. This whole thing is pure BS. The managed health care insurance came about as a wealth and power grab by insurance companies, invading physicians, who can now often be technicians and not artists in their field. I know one doc in a group who did not get a raise for 5 years. He’s not young either and tells me he’s working the hardest he’s ever worked in his life—including holding multiple jobs as a young man. IIRC, the original health power grab over 20 years ago transferred $8-10 billion in wealth from doctors to insurance....including the clerks who make the decisions.
Not all incarcerated persons deserve the death penalty and are illegals in this country. Most people view inmates as non-human and that is contrary to all that we Christians and Americans should stand for. Don’t you personally know someone who has had problems and who has been locked up at one time or another? Most of us do.
How we view and treat our prisoners reflects our level of humanity in so many ways. I’m sorry for your friend’s situation, but that “incarcerated” person deserves to live just as much as your friend. It is all a matter of perspective. 80% of inmates will serve their time and come out of prison. How humanly they are treated in prison is directly proportional to how they will live out here — among the rest of us “perfect people”.
“Don’t you personally know someone who has had problems and who has been locked up at one time or another? Most of us do.”
Yes, I do. However, I see no problem with putting the welfare and well being of military/former military before felons. People who stood in my stead to die deserve more consideration than someone who stands against my freedoms and rights.
Does that include the suckrs with AIG?
The sad truth is that 100% are uninsured today.
But ABOUT 253 million are paying premiums.
And yet on All Barack Channel’s Good Morning Amerika, Barry told Diane Sawyer that in order to make health care affordable, we need to make coverage mandatory so we bring in healthy persons into the system who have opted out.
How many of those 47 million uninsured are those “healthy persons” who have opted out of health care?
This plane is goin' down in flames, and I just wanna grab my 'chute and bail. I'll forgo the free coupons for the duty free shop, and tell your mother you loved her.
48M * 10k = 480B X 10y = 4.8 Trillion / 3 (number actually being insured) = 1.6 Trillion or 160B per year for 10 years.
When several congressmen were saying only 1/3 the people will be insured at this cost, they were referring to this.
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