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Can Third Temple be built without destroying Dome of the Rock?...
Jerusalem Post ^ | June 21st, 2009

Posted on 06/22/2009 1:48:53 PM PDT by TaraP

A new Jewish interfaith initiative launched last week argues building the Third Jewish Temple in Jerusalem would not necessitate the destruction of the Dome of the Rock.

"God's Holy Mountain Vision" project hopes to defuse religious strife by showing that Jews' end-of-days vision could harmoniously accommodate Islam's present architectural hegemony on the Temple Mount.

This vision of religious shrines in peaceful proximity can transform the Temple Mount from a place of contention to its original sacred role as a place of worship shared by Jews, Muslims and Christians," said Yoav Frankel, director of the initiative.

The Interfaith Encounter Association at the Mishkenot Sha'ananim's Konrad Adenauer Conference Center in Jerusalem is sponsoring the program, which includes interfaith study and other educational projects.

According to Islamic tradition, the Dome of the Rock, built in 691, marks the spot where Muhammed ascended to Heaven.

But according to Jewish tradition, Mount Moriah, now under the Dome of the Rock, is where the Temple's Holy of Holies was situated

Until now Jewish tradition has assumed that destruction of the Dome of the Rock was a precondition for the building of the third and last Temple.

However, in an article that appeared in 2007 in Tehumin, an influential journal of Jewish law, Frankel, a young scholar, presented a different option.

His main argument is that Jewish doctrine regarding the rebuilding of the Temple emphasizes the role of a prophet.

This prophet would have extraordinary authority, including the discretion to specify the Temple's precise location, regardless of any diverging Jewish traditions.

Frankel considers the scenario of a holy revelation given to an authentic prophet that the Temple be rebuilt on the current or an extended Temple Mount in peaceful proximity to the dome and other houses of prayer such as the Aksa Mosque and nearby Christian shrines.

However, both Muslims and Jews have expressed opposition to the initiative.

Sheikh Abdulla Nimar Darwish, founder of the Islamic Movement in Israel, said it was pointless to talk about what would happen when the mahdi, the Muslim equivalent of the messiah, would reveal himself.

"Why are we taking upon ourselves the responsibility to decide such things?" Darwish said in a telephone interview with The Jerusalem Post. "Even Jews believe that it is prohibited to rebuild the Temple until the messiah comes. So what is there to talk about.

"The mahdi will decide whether or not to rebuild the Temple. If he decides that it should be rebuilt, I will go out to the Temple Mount and help carry the rocks."

Darwish warned against any attempt to rebuild the Temple before the coming of the mahdi.

"As long as there is a Muslim alive, no Jewish Temple will be built on Al-Haram Al-Sharif [the Temple Mount]. The status quo must be maintained, otherwise there will be bloodshed."

In contrast, Baruch Ben-Yosef, chairman of the Movement to Restore the Temple, made it clear that the Temple had to be built where the Dome of the Rock presently stands.

"Anybody who says anything else simply does not know what he is talking about," he said. "A prophet does not have the power to change the law which explicitly states the location of the Temple."

Ben-Yosef also rejected the idea that rebuilding of the Temple had to be done by a prophet.

"All you need is a Sanhedrin," he said.

Mainstream Orthodox rabbis have opposed attempts to rebuild the Temple since the Mount came under Israeli control in 1967.

The Chief Rabbinate of Israel even issued a decree prohibiting Jews from entering the area due to ritual purity issues.

However, several grassroots organizations such as the Movement to Restore the Temple, and maverick rabbis, including Rabbi Israel Ariel, head of the capital's Temple Institute and a leading member of the revived Sanhedrin led by Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, have called to take steps to renew the sacrifices on the Temple Mount and rebuild the Temple.


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KEYWORDS: holyland; prophecy; templemount
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To: TaraP

It’s possible the third temple will be built in Shiloh. And yes, there will be a literal third temple built. Probably will be part of the 7 year peace covenant with the anti-Christ - and in that temple the anti-Christ will perform the abomination of desolation.


61 posted on 06/23/2009 7:11:10 AM PDT by bethtopaz (www.rapturealert.com)
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To: TaraP

It’s possible the third temple will be built in Shiloh. And yes, there will be a literal third temple built. Probably will be part of the 7 year peace covenant with the anti-Christ - and in that temple the anti-Christ will perform the abomination of desolation.


62 posted on 06/23/2009 7:11:21 AM PDT by bethtopaz (www.rapturealert.com)
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To: jeffc

Mohammed was never on the Temple Mount or anywhere near Jerusalem for that matter. Until the muslims felt they needed a claim to Jerusalem cause the Jews had it (after 1948) so they wanted it. A few verses of the koran were twisted and Viola! the Temple Mount is now the 3rd holiest site in Islam.


63 posted on 06/23/2009 7:16:54 AM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: bethtopaz

I would disagree. It would need to be Mt. Moriah, but not necessarily where the 2nd Temple was located.


64 posted on 06/23/2009 8:27:36 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca

bttt


65 posted on 06/23/2009 8:29:52 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: TaraP
This vision of religious shrines in peaceful proximity can transform the Temple Mount from a place of contention to its original sacred role as a place of worship shared by Jews, Muslims and Christians," said Yoav Frankel, director of the initiative.

This is absolute nonsense. The Holy Temple was never the common property of Jews, chr*stians, and moslems because the latter two religions had not been invented yet. Furthermore all human beings, including non-Jews (Benei Noach) are bound to acknowledge the Revelation of Sinai as supreme and the Ultimate and Final Source of all our knowledge of our religious obligations. Non-Jews are forbidden to invent new religions, religious rituals, and holidays, and all non-Jewish religions that have come into existence since Sinai are illegitimate and forbidden. One may intuit G-d's Commandments and receive some reward for obeying them, but Ha`Olam HaBa' (the World to Come) is a reward that awaits only those who accept and obey on the authority of the Torah G-d gave Moses on Sinai. (It is quite possible that non-Jews today qualify as tiynoqot shenishbu, "sucklings taken into captivity," and do not know any better and thus will not have their errors held against them. Indeed, I most fervently hope this is so. But objectively an acknowledgment of the Sinaitic Revelation is required.)

I have by nature and inclination always been a "build the Temple now!" kinda guy, but my nature and inclination is not necessarily correct. I have read that the Third Temple (unlike the Second) requires Mashiach and the destruction of `Amaleq from the world, and I am most troubled by a completely illogical ecumenism that some of these "Temple" groups apparently hold to. Noachism has absolutely nothing in common with modern interreligious syncretistic ecumenism, and that some people could hold such a position simultaneously with advocating the restoration of the ancient `Avodah is absolutely mystifying.

May it be HaShem's Will that we all learn the Truth and merit the World To Come!

66 posted on 06/23/2009 8:43:50 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayeredu hem vekhol-'asher lahem chayyim she'olah; vatekhas `aleyhem ha'aretz . . .)
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To: TaraP
In addition PETA would be causing all havoc with Animal Sacrafices..We have to many animal lovers of all faiths, well maybe not ISLAm, to bring back animal sacrafice.

Seeing as how Mashiach will compel all mankind to accept Sinai and the Noachide Laws, PETA will have ceased to exist.

67 posted on 06/23/2009 8:46:00 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayeredu hem vekhol-'asher lahem chayyim she'olah; vatekhas `aleyhem ha'aretz . . .)
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To: Jewbacca
Doesn't the Qodesh HaQodashim have to rest on the 'Even HaShetiyah, which 'Aravnah (or was it `Aravnah?) was using as a threshing floor?
68 posted on 06/23/2009 8:48:55 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayeredu hem vekhol-'asher lahem chayyim she'olah; vatekhas `aleyhem ha'aretz . . .)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

There is a divergence of opinions on the location.


69 posted on 06/23/2009 9:14:48 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: TaraP
This vision of religious shrines in peaceful proximity can transform the Temple Mount from a place of contention to its original sacred role as a place of worship shared by Jews, Muslims and Christians,"

This is exactly why it will fail.

70 posted on 06/23/2009 9:21:15 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Jewbacca
There is a divergence of opinions on the location.

But isn't the Western Wall the western side of what remains of the temple? I know there is an ongoing attempt by some to divert Jews away from the Temple Mount as to the actual location of the temple remains, but I trust the majority of Jews will know the location exactly. They found it before!

71 posted on 06/23/2009 10:08:17 AM PDT by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Although I believe Jesus Christ was the last sacrafice the world ever needed to reconcile sinners to a Holy Just GOD

I do not think people will bring back animal sacrafice if the temple is built, they have not done it for 2000 yrs and have no need to do it in the future....It does not do anything except kill an animal for no reason.....

ZC- I have a question if you do’t mind me asking...Why don’t you just convert to Judaism? many people have that believe in the religion....


72 posted on 06/23/2009 10:20:59 AM PDT by TaraP (Unless we stand for something, we will fall for everything.")
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To: TaraP
I do not think people will bring back animal sacrafice if the temple is built, they have not done it for 2000 yrs and have no need to do it in the future....It does not do anything except kill an animal for no reason.....

No reason? G-d's commandment is no reason?

ZC- I have a question if you do’t mind me asking...Why don’t you just convert to Judaism? many people have that believe in the religion....

I couldn't handle it (trying to be an observant Noachide is plenty tough enough!). And it's totally unnecessary.

73 posted on 06/23/2009 10:24:36 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayeredu hem vekhol-'asher lahem chayyim she'olah; vatekhas `aleyhem ha'aretz . . .)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

No reason? G-d’s commandment is no reason? Who’s going to partake in Animal Sacrafice?

They have not done it for 2000 yrs and GOD has not thrown the book at anyone......

Jews atone for their sins on the High Holidays..

Christians atone for sins by the Bllod of the Lamb who piad the price for all of mankinds sins

Muslims atone by there trip to Medina and Mecca
Buddhists and Hindus do not except the Abrahamic Religions

Atheists, Agnostics and Secularists- Could care less what GOD wants...


74 posted on 06/23/2009 11:07:01 AM PDT by TaraP (Unless we stand for something, we will fall for everything.")
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To: jeffc

The Temple Mount is large; a not unlarge possibility exists that Herod made a mistake.


75 posted on 06/23/2009 11:11:20 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: TaraP

“Who’s going to partake in Animal Sacrafice?”

Well, the Samaritans have been doing the same sacrifice to G-d, albeit on the wrong mountain, continiously. Indeed, one can get on youtube and watch it.

Further, the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) is the tempory replacement, and involves the Kaparot, which is essentially the sacrifice of a chicken/rooster.

http://judaism.about.com/od/yomkippu1/a/kaparot.htm


76 posted on 06/23/2009 11:15:37 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: TaraP
Who’s going to partake in Animal Sacrafice?

They have not done it for 2000 yrs and GOD has not thrown the book at anyone......

Jews atone for their sins on the High Holidays..

Christians atone for sins by the Bllod of the Lamb who piad the price for all of mankinds sins

Muslims atone by there trip to Medina and Mecca Buddhists and Hindus do not except the Abrahamic Religions

Atheists, Agnostics and Secularists- Could care less what GOD wants...

::Sigh:: Tara, you're obviously a very sweet person, but . . .

What part of the term "eschatalogical triumph" do you not understand? You know, when the True Religion is vindicated and acknowledged by the entire human race and all false religions disappear? You know, when there will be no more atheists, b*ddhists, chr*stians, etc.? I assume you believe your religion will win in the end, am I right?

77 posted on 06/23/2009 11:15:39 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayeredu hem vekhol-'asher lahem chayyim she'olah; vatekhas `aleyhem ha'aretz . . .)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Jewbacca

No I believe that *Judaism* in it’s truest form will be practiced in the Millenial Kingdom..When Jesus Christ rules all nations, and every person on the earth recognizes he is the Messiah....I don’t believe anyone else in the past nor the future is coming other than Jesus Christ....

Jesus came as a Jew who practiced that religion and will rein on earth, as people all people will embrace *Torah*
and love learning about GOD who created everything....

That is why I don’t think Animal Sacrafice will no longer be necessary...I believe people will be free from *Sin* and the point of Torah and Judaism will be for learning purposes only...

I believe Saints will be with Jesus Christ in Jerusalem, those who were Martyred for him and those who faced the worst persecution for the gospel message, and I think other’s will be on earth and still procreate...

I believe all Jews alive on earth will at some point recognize Jesus as the one they were always waiting for and the ones who died will know when Jesus resurrects the dead.

So no all religions will cease to exist except *torah* and Jesus Christ as the fullfillment of all mankind’s reconcilliation to a Holy Just GOD.....

Maybe not to far off to what you believe....Time will tell
do you agree?


78 posted on 06/23/2009 11:34:02 AM PDT by TaraP (Unless we stand for something, we will fall for everything.")
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To: TaraP

I am probably not the guy for you to have this discussion with.


79 posted on 06/23/2009 11:40:55 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: TaraP
Than your objection to animal sacrifices is based on the assumption that a religion other than Torah is true. Mine is based on the assumption that only Torah is true. In your future, there are no animal sacrifices. In "mine" there are.

Simple enough. Either way the opinions of atheists and b*ddhists will have no weight on the matter.

80 posted on 06/23/2009 11:46:00 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayeredu hem vekhol-'asher lahem chayyim she'olah; vatekhas `aleyhem ha'aretz . . .)
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