Posted on 06/22/2009 4:24:22 AM PDT by marktwain
No problem from most of the people from the People's Republic of Massachusetts because being liberal means never having to be consistent.
Both firearms owners are guilty of felony stupidity.
What reasonable adult leaves a weapon, unloaded or not, where it can be accessed by a 12 year old or a retarded 18 year old?
The Trooper is lucky they do not change this from a firearms case to a case of endangering a minor.
These are not cases for us to be proud of or draw attention to.
They used to do it all the time at Coney Island.
ML/NJ
MindBender26 posted:
“What reasonable adult leaves a weapon, unloaded or not, where it can be accessed by a 12 year old or a retarded 18 year old?”
marktwain replies:
I was raised that way, and I raised my children that way.
Only about half the country does it, with no significant problems. Children learn responsibility by being given responsibility.
Absolutely
The police officer needs to be teaching his son proper firearms safety. If he had an Eddie Eagle course, my guess is that he would not be pointing a real gun (unloaded or not) at any other neighborhood kids. He was just lucky it was unloaded. I doubt the kid knew that.
The other case is interesting indeed as it appears to me that there are 4th amendment violations here as well. Those firearms were under his bed (i.e. not in plain sight). What right did they have to search this persons house? Certainly, the word of a retarded child cannot be enough cause for that. Never mind the Heller case, go for the illegal search and seizure. Seems more pat.
I would only make one caveat to what you said. The second case involved a child with Downs syndrome. I’m no expert on retarded kids, but I don’t think they have enough understanding to appreciate firearms safety. If I had a retarded child in my house, I think I would have my firearms locked up or have gunlocks on them. Just an opinion.
Oh, please. Don't succumb to the modern thinking that anyone under 68 is a child. A normal 12 year old should have already known for years when he can use the guns and when he can't (and who he shouldn't be pointing them at when he does). The 18 YO Down's patient is another matter. Depends on his functional level. Down's patients range from barely impaired to severe. If he's fairly severely impaired, I would probably agree with you in his case.
Bolducs 12-year-old son took the unloaded weapon a Sig Sauer P226 .40-caliber handgun from an unlocked bureau, brought it outside in his Sandwich neighborhood, pointed the gun at a 5-year-old girl and pulled the trigger.
That is why you never leave an unsecured firearm where a 12 year old can get it.
He didn't know, or didn't care, that you should never point a firearm at anything you do not want to kill. Any resourceful 12 year old can find some .40 rounds somewhere.
Never leave an unattended firearm anywhere. Mine are in an instant access gun safe or on my person 24/365.
BTW, on the issue of securing weapons, that is the NRA, ILA and GOA's firm position as well.
If an adult (or minor) points an unloaded firearm at any person, that is an assault. It may not be “ADW,’ Assault with a Deadly Weapon, but it is certainly ADI, Assault with a Dangerous Instrument. In this case, the Trooper facilitated his son assaulting the young girl.
Stupid 101, and not the kind of case we want to use to establish our point. It's a perfect “See, that's why we need gun locks” media case for the other side.
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?id=20&issue=009
Most firearms in the country are not locked up in safes in the home of the person who owns them. Millions of teenagers have been successfully raised around firearms without a problem. There have also been numerous cases of children using firearms to defend themselves and their families.
“Safe storage laws” has reportedly resulted in at least two deaths by homicide in northern California, when the 14 year old girl that had been trained in firearms use and safety was forbidden by law from accessing the firearms necessary to protect her siblings from a madman with a pitchfork who then killed them.
I’m looking forward to Part II as well, for parochial reasons.
As a Massachusetts gun owner, I’m required to keep all firearms under lock and key, either in a gun safe or with a trigger lock. What hogwash! This gives me heartburn for several reasons.
First, I guarantee that I will not be giving permission for ANYBODY to inspect my gun storage. But can the jackboots obtain a search warrant if they SUSPECT my guns are not under lock and key? Say if my neighbor saw that rifle over my mantle and called it in?
Second, the state never offered to buy me a gun cabinet, so it escapes me how they can require one. This seems akin to an illegal taking, since I’m being required to fork over money for something I don’t want. Then again, Massachusetts also requires motorcycle helmets ... but of course.
Then again, I heard that our “new” police chief in town doesn’t the idea of civilians with concealed weapons, so his orders supposedly are that all pistol permit renewals will be for “Target Practice Only” and no longer for “All Lawful Purposes” as in the past. But I don’t have to renew for three more years, so I can put off that battle for now.
(For all you folks living outside the People’s Republic ... yes, you need a permit from the town just to OWN a pistol in Massachusetts and these permits are NOT easy to obtain!)
The Trooper did not do so in this case. You are trying to make a legal case. That's fine, make those arguments in court, but do not make a PUBLIC argument that the Trooper did no wrong when his 12 years old pointed his unsecured pistol at a 5 year-old and pulled the trigger!
We will lose that battle in the court of public opinion every time!
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I’m slightly sympathetic to that point of view, but I still think it’s wrong. You accused both gun-owners of stupidity. Before posting, I rechecked your post to see that you were accusing the cop on the basis of allowing access and not failing to educate his kid. Sorry, the NRA is wrong on this (they sometimes can be found appeasing on legislation or spouting PC conventional wisdom as advice). It was done the other way without significant problems for too many generation to alledge now that it won’t work. (Now I do agree the cop IS terminally stupid, but for failing to educate, not for normal firearm storage.)
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