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Obama Is No Reagan: The Polish Lesson Ignored in Iran
The American Spectator ^ | 18 June 09 | Jeff Lord

Posted on 06/19/2009 9:48:05 AM PDT by LSUfan

Barack Obama is no Ronald Reagan.

One need look no further than President Obama's cautiously timid response to the demands of freedom from Iranians. Contrast this with Reagan's response to similar demands from Poles in the 1980s and the miserable inadequacy of the Obama foreign policy is thrust into a stark and shameful relief.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; bhoiran; iran; obama; poland; polish; reagan
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To: LSUfan

Wow, what a great article. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

Those were the years I left the Democratic Party, which I learned as a youngster was the “party of the people. I looked at what Carter had done, and then I looked at what Regan was doing, and I decided if Regan was a Republican than I wanted to be one too.

Good Lord, please send us another one like him!


41 posted on 06/19/2009 11:59:53 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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42 posted on 06/19/2009 12:34:53 PM PDT by lizol
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To: Ditto

You totally ignored the Battle of Cowpens (and Kings Mountain, 3 months earlier). These deprvied the British of the ability to hold the countryside in—at least—South Carolina, and restricted them to fortified cities. A classic example of a great power losing an insurgency; able to hold cities, but a countryside belonging to insurgents. Cowpens, was, by the way, a “full scale battle” that the Continental Army won WITHOUT French assitance.

—But even with that surrender, the British were far from beaten militarily. What caused the war to conclude was internal politics in Britain where the war was decidedly unpopular and increasingly unaffordable. Parliament under Whig leadership finally forced King George to call an end to it.—

That sounds an awful lot like the excuse I heard back in the 1970s, to wit: “We never lost a battle in Vietnam. We only lost because Congress (i.e. the American people) pulled the plug on it.” Sorry, but a defeat is a defeat, and if you wear down an enemy enough that his government decides it’s not worth thowing good money (and lives) after bad, you’ve still won.


43 posted on 06/19/2009 1:11:43 PM PDT by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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To: ataDude
Barack Obama is no Ronald Reagan.

No sh*&

44 posted on 06/19/2009 1:19:12 PM PDT by JrsyJack
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To: seatrout
Cowpens, was, by the way, a “full scale battle” that the Continental Army won WITHOUT French assitance.

Hardly 'full scale' -- only about 1000 men on each side.

Don't misunderstand me. Cowpens was an very important battle. In winning, the Americans not only hurt Cornwallis by killing or capturing the majority of his light calvary (Tarrelton's Dragoons) as well as some of his best and most seasoned infantry troops, but it was also a sorely needed psychological boost to the American side. For the first time, they showed they could stand toe-to-toe with the British in the South which brought more volunteers to the American side and discouraged Loyalists from joining the British side.

But no, it was not a 'full-scale' battle of armies. A few months later, the Battle of Gilford Courthouse had 5 times as many men involved (4000 Americans vs 2000 Brits) and then Yorktown with well over 20,000 American and French troops facing 9000 Brits. Those are 'full scale' battles.

That sounds an awful lot like the excuse I heard back in the 1970s, to wit: “We never lost a battle in Vietnam. We only lost because Congress (i.e. the American people) pulled the plug on it.”

Well, I have never said that because it would be inaccurate. Congress (a post-Watergate leftie congress) pulled the plug on the South Vietnamese in 1975, two years after the last US combat troops left. No, we did not win the war. But when we left, the commie side was significantly weakened and the ARVN was doing pretty damn good until the political hacks in DC cut them off at the knees and ended up getting a couple million SE Asians butchered as a result.

I have had a burning hatred for that lefties ever since.

45 posted on 06/19/2009 2:15:28 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: seatrout
there aren’t any nuclear weapons or ICBMs in Iran at this moment.

"Let's wait till they get them and then do something..." DUH IN SPADES YOU DYSFUNCTIONAL IDIOT! You are an IDIOT SUPREME!

46 posted on 06/19/2009 2:24:08 PM PDT by MrDem (Monthly Special: Will write OPUS's for Whiners and Crybabies for no charge.)
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To: seatrout

Didn’t anyone finance our war and newly formed nation?


47 posted on 06/19/2009 2:36:32 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: LSUfan
So if the Russians decide to invade Iran we'll slap sanctions on them?

The two situations aren't as comparable as the writer thinks.

China in 1989 might be a closer parallel. We didn't do anything then either.

Reagan and Poland in 1981 was pretty atypical.

And even with Reagan's actions, Jaruzelski still imposed martial law.

When something is defined as an "internal matter" it's hard for foreign governments to do much about it, then or now.

48 posted on 06/19/2009 2:43:15 PM PDT by x
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To: Ditto

“I have had a burning hatred for that lefties ever since.”

Just wait until they do the same with Iraq and Afghanistan.


49 posted on 06/19/2009 2:44:36 PM PDT by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: Ditto

—ARVN was doing pretty damn good until the political hacks in DC cut them off at the knees—

ARVN got skunked every time it went up against PAVN regulars*

*unless, as at An Loc, it had a buttload of American air support.


50 posted on 06/19/2009 3:06:57 PM PDT by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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To: seatrout
if we keep sticking our nose where it does not belong it will get smacked sooner or later. Oh, wait. That’s already happened! My bad.

Yup. Feb 6, 1802--Congress heeded Thomas Jefferson and declared war on what was then called Tripoli.

51 posted on 06/19/2009 3:50:13 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
One need look no further than President Obama's cautiously timid response to the demands of freedom from Iranians. Contrast this with Reagan's response to similar demands from Poles in the 1980s and the miserable inadequacy of the Obama foreign policy is thrust into a stark and shameful relief.
And of course, another glance at Zero bowing to his royal master can't hurt, either.
52 posted on 06/19/2009 3:53:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: seatrout
At any rate, we didn’t make the same mistake until 1898,

Guess you never heard of declaring war on Mexico in 1846.

Thanks for playing, but just not ready for prime time.

53 posted on 06/19/2009 3:56:06 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
Mexico was a New World nation contiguous to the United States. By declaring war on Mexico, the United States was able to complete its Manifest Destiny to expand to the Pacific Coast, obtaining TX and much of the Mountain West as well. This had nothing to do with Old World squabbles. Thanks for playing, but you're not quite ready for prime time just yet.
54 posted on 06/19/2009 4:27:49 PM PDT by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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To: seatrout
ARVN got skunked every time it went up against PAVN regulars*

They did pretty good until the Russians poured in equipment that we did not match. Once we left, Moscow went nuts on aid the the NVA and we did not follow suit. They had our air and equipment support until Nixon resigned, but after thet, with a radical Congress in Washington, they were on their own against the NVA, the USSR and China.

I sure wouldn't want to be in that boat. Would you?

IMHO, if Nixon hadn't resigned, they would have survived.

55 posted on 06/19/2009 7:49:43 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: seatrout

BTW. Many of those ARVN were very good men who deserve our respect.


56 posted on 06/19/2009 7:50:54 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Ditto
Saigon would have fallen in 1972 during the Easter Offensive if not for massive American air strikes. If Nixon hadn't resigned, the Saigon regime probably would have survived ... until 1977. So it would have had two more years left. Face it, the Republic of Vietnam just didn't have the "fire in the belly" to make it without American hand-holding.
57 posted on 06/20/2009 5:22:26 AM PDT by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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To: seatrout
Face it, the Republic of Vietnam just didn't have the "fire in the belly" to make it without American hand-holding.

Given time, they would have done fine.

58 posted on 06/20/2009 7:24:56 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: Ditto

Pollyanna, much?


59 posted on 06/20/2009 7:39:54 AM PDT by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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To: LSUfan

bump


60 posted on 06/20/2009 5:58:23 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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