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Senior Democrat Says Obama's Czars Unconstitutional
WIND560 ^ | 6-15-09 | Ken Klukowski

Posted on 06/15/2009 12:28:16 PM PDT by SJackson

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To: SJackson
Apparently Marxist Obama (IIRC a constitutional law prof) never actually had a firm grasp on this Constitution thingie (the one that he's pledged protect to defend, no less).

Stepping back a bit, one gets the worry that as Mister Obama operates farther and farther from our laws and traditions, signs of entropy and chaos are already visible from his (alleged} administration.

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21 posted on 06/15/2009 12:42:02 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: WashingtonSource

Byrd occasionally gets it right. On those rare occasions I call his office and thank him.


22 posted on 06/15/2009 12:42:12 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: SJackson

I am not a defender of Senator Byrd, but I do revere the constitution as I have read he says he does.


http://www.princeton.edu/~snkatz/papers/snkatzConstitution.pdf
(note- article critical of Byrd but credits him with respect for the Constitution)

“In his 2006 Constitution Day message Senator Byrd reminded us that he carries a copy of the document with him “wherever I go,” and asked “but what about you? What do you know about the Constitution? How much of it do you carry around with you? Why should you want to know about your Constitution?”xxviii His answer was to refer to Ben Franklin, who reminded the Framers that they had created a “Republic, if you can keep it.”xxix And adhering to the structures and values of the Constitution, he argued, is the way to preserve the republic.

Our Constitution embodies the vision of the Framers, their dream of freedom, supported by the genius of practical structure which has come to be known as the checks and balances and separation of powers. But we cannot defend and protect this dream if we are ignorant of the Constitution’s history and how it works. Ignorance is ultimately the worst enemy of a people who want to be free.xxx

Education is then, for Byrd, the key to the preservation of the republic, historical training is the key to education, and understanding of the Founding Era is the key to United States history.”


23 posted on 06/15/2009 12:47:58 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: SJackson

ZERO has probably already done as much as he is going to do in response to Byrd’s letter ...the same as he did with the previous letter the old man sent to the whitey house ...IGNORE IT.

From my recollection the last letter Byrd sent to the whitey house was about the ZERO once again overstepping his bounds and doing things the Senate and House should control ...he didn’t even dignify the letter with an acknowledgment according to accounts I have read.


24 posted on 06/15/2009 12:49:29 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: SJackson

0bama has been trampling the Constitution since his college days, and has not changed his stripes at this point. He has no allegiance to the accumulated history of this venerable republic, and no allegiance to the laws he swore to uphold. He is ineligible to hold the office he occupies and is perpetrating on the American people the greatest political fraud in our nation’s history.
Yet, through it all, he is still slogging toward the marxist abyss and dragging the US with him.
The fact that he is using ‘czars’ outside of the Constitution should surprise no one. He is above the law. Just ask him.

It’s time to take back the country.


25 posted on 06/15/2009 12:51:11 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: SJackson

***Congress did not give Czar Feinberg this authority.***

And it would be Constitutional if Congress had?

***These czars were few and far between, and rarely did anything that seriously ruffled any feathers. But President Obama has taken this to an unprecedented level, to the point where these appointments are dangerous to our constitutional regime.***

So it’s okay to be a little unconstitutional, but not a lot unconstitutional. Got it.


26 posted on 06/15/2009 12:59:41 PM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: PubliusMM

If I were a CEO, and the board voted me “X” dollars in compensation but the CZAR said, “Nope, you can only have “Y” dollars, I would tell him to piss up a rope and then see how much power he actually had.

It would surely end up in the SCOTUS front yard for adjudication. And if “all” the boards and CEO’s said the same thing, then you have effectively neutered the CZAR.


27 posted on 06/15/2009 1:03:27 PM PDT by CTOCS (Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.)
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To: outhousepatrol

He can say “sheet happens”..


28 posted on 06/15/2009 1:05:17 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: SJackson

This phony figurehead TOTUS term is nothing but a scam, the voters bought his entire line of lies and BS and we are now seeing the results.

But take heart, the rocket he is riding skyward is about to run out of fuel and the sharks are sensing blood in the water. The elected official who support him now will be the same ones who will turn on him as more blood drips onto the water, if not the election will be a blood bath for them also. Not likely to happen, his term has a limit of eight years and theirs is open ended.


29 posted on 06/15/2009 1:06:38 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: DoughtyOne

Obamalini is turning into a dictator.
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A local grocery - not big box - store had an Obama speech playing on a flat screen the other day. It was a replay; may have been CNN. No more of that store for me.


30 posted on 06/15/2009 1:06:51 PM PDT by JavaJumpy
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To: SJackson
Hate to say it, but the crux of the matter isn't so much that Byrd or any other Dem are against the czar concept, but that Congress has not had a say in their appointment. They want to feel special and give Obama the "okey-dokey" on his choice for these positions, which they'll certainly do.

Red herring...


31 posted on 06/15/2009 1:13:15 PM PDT by DJ Frisat (How's that change workin' out for ya, Obama voters?)
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To: bamahead

one would think that our pubie opposition party would do something about this.


32 posted on 06/15/2009 1:13:30 PM PDT by ken21 (i am not voting for a rino-progressive.)
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To: SJackson
While searching for a list of all of his czars, I came across this article...

It's official: Obama creates more czars than the Romanovs

These stories are just writing themselves, in disbelief.

There is a link at google search claiming 21 total czars, but due to IT security I cannot access it. Maybe someone else can post the list.

33 posted on 06/15/2009 1:22:56 PM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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excerpt from the Romanov article (slightly formatted)...

In addition to Bersin, we have
energy czar Carol Browner,
urban czar Adolfo Carrion, Jr.,
infotech czar Vivek Kundra,
faith-based czar Joshua DuBois,
health reform czar Nancy-Ann DeParle,
new TARP czar Herb Allison,
stimulus accountability czar Earl Devaney,
non-proliferation czar Gary Samore,
terrorism czar John Brennan,
regulatory czar Cass Sunstein,
drug czar Gil Kerlikowske,
and Guantanamo closure czar Daniel Fried.
We also have a host of special envoys that fall into the czar category including
AfPak special envoy Richard Holbrooke,
Mideast peace envoy George Mitchell,
special advisor for the Persian Gulf and Southwest Asia Dennis Ross,
Sudan special envoy J. Scott Gration
and climate special envoy Todd Stern.


34 posted on 06/15/2009 1:26:37 PM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: woollyone

BTW...
Bersin is the border czar


35 posted on 06/15/2009 1:27:26 PM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: CTOCS

If I were a CEO, and the board voted me “X” dollars in compensation but the CZAR said, “Nope, you can only have “Y” dollars, I would tell him to piss up a rope and then see how much power he actually had.

It would surely end up in the SCOTUS front yard for adjudication. And if “all” the boards and CEO’s said the same thing, then you have effectively neutered the CZAR.”

I want to neiter the King, also, please.
Find his birth certificate and get him declared not eligible in the first place.


36 posted on 06/15/2009 1:28:21 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: CTOCS

If I were a CEO, and the board voted me “X” dollars in compensation but the CZAR said, “Nope, you can only have “Y” dollars, I would tell him to piss up a rope and then see how much power he actually had.

It would surely end up in the SCOTUS front yard for adjudication. And if “all” the boards and CEO’s said the same thing, then you have effectively neutered the CZAR.”

I want to neuter the King, also, please.
Find his birth certificate and get him declared not eligible in the first place.


37 posted on 06/15/2009 1:28:28 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: SJackson

Our crumbling Republic has begun to free-fall. America will survive somehow, but we will be either a socialist or fascist state by the time I am dead. Right now I am leaning toward fascism.


38 posted on 06/15/2009 1:32:25 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: woollyone

It’s official: Obama creates more czars than the Romanovs

http://rothkopf.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/04/16/its_official_obama_creates_more_czars_than_the_romanovs

It has finally happened. With yesterday’s naming of Border Czar Alan Bersin, the Obama administration has by any reasonable reckoning passed the Romanov Dynasty in the production of czars. The Romanovs ruled Russia from 1613 with the ascension of Michael I through the abdication of Czar Nicholas II in 1917. During that time, they produced 18 czars. While it is harder to exactly count the number of Obama administration czars, with yesterday’s appointment it seems fair to say it is now certainly in excess of 18.

In addition to Bersin, we have energy czar Carol Browner, urban czar Adolfo Carrion, Jr., infotech czar Vivek Kundra, faith-based czar Joshua DuBois, health reform czar Nancy-Ann DeParle, new TARP czar Herb Allison, stimulus accountability czar Earl Devaney, non-proliferation czar Gary Samore, terrorism czar John Brennan, regulatory czar Cass Sunstein, drug czar Gil Kerlikowske, and Guantanamo closure czar Daniel Fried. We also have a host of special envoys that fall into the czar category including AfPak special envoy Richard Holbrooke, Mideast peace envoy George Mitchell, special advisor for the Persian Gulf and Southwest Asia Dennis Ross, Sudan special envoy J. Scott Gration and climate special envoy Todd Stern. That’s 18.

This is a very conservative estimate, however. I will allow you to pick whom you would like out of the remaining candidates. For example you could count de facto car czar Steve Rattner even though the administration went out of its way to say they weren’t going to have a car czar... before he ultimately emerged as the car czar. You could count National Director of Intelligence Dennis Blair, often referred to as the intelligence czar, although you might not want to because his job has a different kind of status on the org chart. I’m not going to count Paul Volcker who was referred to as Obama’s economic czar because Obama is not making much use of Volcker (at least according to reports).

But you certainly might want to count people deemed by the media to be the “cyber security czar” or the “AIDs czar” or the “green jobs czar” even if there are reasons to quibble about the designation of one or two of them. I also won’t count Michelle Malkin’s designation of White House science advisor John Holdren as “weather czar” because as a matter of principle I won’t count anything that horrifying woman does. Nonetheless you could certainly call the talented Holdren the nation’s science “czar” without stretching things.

The point is, disqualify who you may for your own list, there are still plenty of czars on the bench who will step up to make the comparison work in favor of Team Obama, if you think have lots and lots of czars is actually something in favor of Team Obama. (And to be fair: they didn’t create all these slots...just a lot of them.)

Personally, I think from a purely process standpoint all this czarism is a risky business that ends up producing bureaucratic bottlenecks, tensions and inefficiency when not managed extremely carefully. For now we will give them the benefit of the doubt that they will manage it well. Though please, please guys, stop now that you are ahead, now that you are officially the most prolific czarist dynasty in history.

For the record, the czars produced by Team Romanov were: Michael I, Alexis I, Fyodor III, Ivan V, Peter the Great, Catherine I, Peter II, Anna, Elizabeth, Peter III, Ivan VI, Catherine the Great, Paul I, Alexander I, Nicholas I, Alexander II, Alexander III, Nicholas II. For the purposes of giving the Russians an even chance against the president, I am including both the original Romanov line and the descendants of the Holstein-Gottorps, who kept the Romanov name. I am not including the regency of Sophia, although if you want, go ahead. Our team still wins. (Although, I’ll admit it, it is almost as hard of tracking the Russian succession as it is the structure of our own government these days.)


39 posted on 06/15/2009 1:37:30 PM PDT by SJackson (G-d da*n America, Jeremiah Wright---Don't tell me words don't matter!, Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: WashingtonSource

For all his very many faults, Byrd is a ferocious defender of the rights, powers, and obligations of the United States Senate. By using these czars the haloed one is doing exactly as Byrd claims. Sidestepping Senate confirmation process, avoiding the need to report to the Congress, and most importantly, flagrantly disregarding both the separation of power and checks and balances. But then the Constitution is in the haloed one’s opinion “a flawed document.” One man rule is so much more efficient.


40 posted on 06/15/2009 1:39:32 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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