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Divided We Stand (What would California look like broken in three? Or a Republic of New England?)
WSJ ^ | 6/13/09

Posted on 06/12/2009 7:31:29 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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To: MinorityRepublican
Looks we have a race to see which mega government will fall next. The last one to fall was the Soviet Union. The race right now is between the US and China. China was ahead early, but the US has dramatically flown past China in record speed.
41 posted on 06/12/2009 9:14:18 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: mamelukesabre

And you think any of his edicts and legislation will be repealed???????

For that matter, you really think 2010 and 2012 will be fair elections with ACORN involved????


42 posted on 06/12/2009 9:42:17 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

New England would likely be joined by the Maritimes.


43 posted on 06/12/2009 9:46:24 PM PDT by TBP
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To: TBP
New England would likely be joined by the Maritimes.

Why do you say that?

44 posted on 06/12/2009 9:49:10 PM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: pissant
There should be 50 of those RIGHT NOW. Let’s restore our founders’ vision

I'm with you, Pissant. I'm totally against busting up the Union. I feel that in the end, five or more separate countries would not ally together for mutual defense, and the whole continent would soon be under attack.

I feel that it's much better to follow the lead of the Founders, and take our country back from those who have hijacked it from us.

E Pluribus Unum.

45 posted on 06/12/2009 9:50:11 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: MARTIAL MONK
Maybe the rest of us could colonize the wild and uncivilized areas (like Texas). Teach the barbarians some manners.

Heh.... and "maybe" you can swim to the moon.

46 posted on 06/12/2009 9:56:18 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Spktyr

Then there’s always the well-stated solution in your tagline:

“Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.”


47 posted on 06/12/2009 9:59:24 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Anyone who can get their butts kicked by New Mexico shouldn't be too much of a problem.
48 posted on 06/12/2009 10:07:13 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: TBP

All of this speculation reminds me of the History Channel series ‘Life After People’. The show just starts with the assumption that humanity has disappeared, but all of our artifacts, pets, etc. are still here. It then goes on to discuss how things would develop from that point. The problem is that what would happen would depend a great deal on HOW people had disappeared, whether from war, disease, or being kidnapped by aliens. Without knowing this, you can’t be sure of what would follow.

The METHOD of the reorganization of the US would lead to different possible outcomes. If there is a civil war II, especially if it involves nuclear weapons, that would lead to one set of outcomes. If from a foreign invasion, it would lead to different outcomes. A financial collapse leading to the destruction of organized society would lead a different way. A mutual agreement to repeal, or greatly revise the Constitution (most unlikely, IMHO) would result in other possibilities.


49 posted on 06/12/2009 10:07:47 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: MARTIAL MONK
Anyone who can get their butts kicked by New Mexico shouldn't be too much of a problem.

What on earth are you talking about?

50 posted on 06/12/2009 10:08:52 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Agree,busting up the union is exactly what the NWO wants!


51 posted on 06/12/2009 10:10:14 PM PDT by peter gun (Stupidity is its own punishment!)
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To: Windflier
I'm with you, Pissant. I'm totally against busting up the Union. I feel that in the end, five or more separate countries would not ally together for mutual defense, and the whole continent would soon be under attack.

That is one possibility, but the real problem we have right now is that DC is hamstrung when it comes to defending the territory of the states. The southwest has been invaded for a couple of decades and nothing was done. Hawaii and Alaska are under the threat of a nuclear tyrant with ICBM missiles, and we officially state that any missile will not be shot down. We need some regional powers that will basically kick but and take names. Dixieland would do that. Alaska would do that. Texas would do that. New England would bend over and leave itself wide open to just about anything, but hey, they get what they have now.

52 posted on 06/12/2009 10:11:35 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: mamelukesabre
Everyone here on this thread needs to recite the pledge of allegiance out loud.

One more time to make sure everybody heard that. Secession advocates should pay close attention to the "indivisible" part.

53 posted on 06/12/2009 10:12:09 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

The problem is that we would still have vast amounts of stupid people who would just vote for the same bread and circuses all over again.

At this point, I think Texas needs to leave the union to its imminent collapse, so that all those that voted for this idiocy have the lesson slammed home hard. We can come along later and pick up the pieces after they’ve learned not to be idiots.


54 posted on 06/12/2009 10:13:51 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: justa-hairyape
We need some regional powers that will basically kick but and take names.

I don't disagree with that, but in my mind, it needs to go further.

I'm imagining several states standing shoulder to shoulder in a showdown with Washington - basically letting them know in no uncertain terms that they are officially throwing down the gauntlet.

I think that we're already beginning to see the precursors to this, with the 10th Amendment resolutions being passed by many states, and in some of the statements directed toward Washington by some of our governors.

In the end, I firmly believe that the current threat to the republic will have to be directly confronted and overcome by The People, and that is why these tea parties are so important. They're the beginning of a resistance movement that will culminate in the restoration of our constitutional form of government, if it evolves forward.

And, it must move forward.

55 posted on 06/12/2009 10:22:29 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Spktyr
The problem is that we would still have vast amounts of stupid people who would just vote for the same bread and circuses all over again.

It's time for a vast and fundamental shift back to America's root basics. Most Americans want this. Millions of us will give whatever it takes to win that back, and the numbers are on our side.

Millions upon millions of mis-educated and liberally indoctrinated people are going to experience a terrible re-orientation to living in the real America. They're going to get that education, whether they learn it through living through the disastrous effects of Obamanomics, or whether they learn it from a massive shift back to constitutional basics and traditional American values.

If Texas even made the motion to leave the Union, so many states would line up behind her, that the the federal government would have to give in to the demands of the adults and patriots in this country.

I'm pretty sure it would be "game over" for the commies in Washington (and elsewhere) if Texas did this.

56 posted on 06/12/2009 10:36:59 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

The 100 ton gorilla in the corner is the US Federal debt load. How do the people walk away from that ? Do you think we can possible pay that debt off ?


57 posted on 06/12/2009 10:39:53 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
The 100 ton gorilla in the corner is the US Federal debt load. How do the people walk away from that ?

The People may simply have to oust the criminals in charge, and declare that all of that debt was created and assumed by an illegal and unconstitutional cabal that infiltrated our government.

I almost can't see a more logical way for We The People to address the debt that's been forcibly shackled to us and future generations of Americans.

What are we going to do? Allow the current paradigm to continue, and have China and other countries foreclose on our country? I don't think so.

The stupid Socialists in our government who've committed this crime against us, have set the game pieces up in such a way that there can almost be no other conclusion to all of this. They will be ousted, and their 70 year plan to remake America into a Marxist country will die at their own hand.

Only an America restored to its root basics can be prosperous enough to eventually satisfy the debts that the Socialists have rung up. We'll never pay the debt back under their destructive system. The only possible future for a purely Socialist America is eventual dissolution and dismemberment.

How's that going to happen when you've got 90 million gun owning Americans who will fight to the death from being sold into slavery?

58 posted on 06/12/2009 10:57:05 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
The problem is that these debt amounts are so large now that countries could easily justify a war against another country that refuses to honor the debt obligation. IMHO that is what we will have if the US, in its current form, walks away from that debt. The Chinese can bleed us dry on the Korean Peninsula. The Russians can bleed us dry in Iraq/Iran. The Saudis can bleed us dry in AfPak. Some people have apparently learned the value of having a little guard dog.
59 posted on 06/12/2009 11:02:25 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
The problem is that these debt amounts are so large now that countries could easily justify a war against another country that refuses to honor the debt obligation.

I don't think the Chinese want that war. They know that we would have no choice but to go nuke on them, and that would kill too many of their people and destroy too much of what they've gained in the last two decades. Checkmate.

Their best hope is that we return our country to the sensible models that made it an economic superpower. Only then can we hope to repay them.

60 posted on 06/12/2009 11:18:29 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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