Republicans should focus on increasing their share of white votes.

[Dayton3]

Why does everyone insist on the GOP reaching out to Hispanic and black voters?

Sure, non Hispanic whites will be the minority in the U.S. (though by far the LARGEST minority) in the 2040-2050 time frame.

But there are a lot of presidential elections between now and then.

If the GOP increased its take of white votes from 58% (2004) or 55% (2008) to 70% or better, then it could win virtually any election with little minority support.

And why as so many claim would it be racist?

Is it racist when 94% of black voters vote for the Democratic candidate or 80% of Hispanic voters go Democratic?

Why waste the time and resources on making minor inroads among blacks and Hispanics when the GOP could start a quest to secure more white votes from a position of strength?

[Dayton3]

Demographics are the reason the GOP should adopt such a strategy.

It could give us elections for years to come. And the power to keep those demographic projections from becoming reality.

[wardaddy]

I agree with you 100%..

blacks are a lost cause and the microdemographics there make it impossible...they have gerrymandered themselves

latinos same thing just not quite as severe

Jews ditto but almost too few to matter

PC freepers who eschew this realspeak simply are ignorant of the realities of our new demographics and are focusing on pollyanna whatifs.

aside from Christian whites who can we count on?

Viets, older Cubans and Japanese....anyone else?

[Anti-Bubba182]

You won't get enough percentage of the White people to get and maintain power. As a matter of fact if it was attempted the party would actually lose Whites who would not want to be associated with the tactic.

Those were not projections I posted, they were actual percentages of White voters in Presidential elections. The electorate is not getting Whiter. Long term, minorities have to be recruited or the GOP is the new Whig party.

[Dayton3]

That is the first of what I would consider to be a legitimate criticism of this strategy because it brings “white guilt” into play.

Which I think played a big role in the victory by President Obama.

[Anti-Bubba182]

Sure White Guilt played a role and damn every one who voted for Obama based on that, but it was not White Guilt that turned White people from the Dixiecrats and Strom Thurmond in 1948 or the American Independent Party when George Wallace ran in 1968.

Most people did not want what they were Selling. The electorate was much Whiter then than it will ever be again.

The GOP would never get 70% of the White vote. The Democrats have their own share of the Whites that are hard corps voters for them.

[puroresu]

I'm surprised the PC-Cons haven't yet mentioned that "Martin Luther King was a Republican." Or haven't yet suggested that all we need to do is remind blacks of "the racist history of the Democratic Party" and they'll come roaring over to our side.

We got into this mess in the first place because Republicans brilliantly fell for the argument that race doesn't matter forty-something years ago. Why, America could be 77% black Muslims from the Third World and it wouldn't make a dime's worth of difference. They'd still relate to our Founding Fathers and our history of capitalism and religious liberty. They'd have landed America on the moon in 1969, right on schedule, if they'd come here in 1803 and picked up on Jeffersonian ideals.

So we bought that nonsense, as did the Tories in Britain, and the conservative parties throughout the Western world. And we now have decades of proof that it isn't true, but people still insist that if we only had the right message, we could turn Detroit and East Los Angeles into hotbeds of Republican conservatism.

Anti-Bubba, you wrote:

You won't get enough percentage of the White people to get and maintain power. As a matter of fact if it was attempted the party would actually lose Whites who would not want to be associated with the tactic.

Those were not projections I posted, they were actual percentages of White voters in Presidential elections. The electorate is not getting Whiter. Long term, minorities have to be recruited or the GOP is the new Whig party.

What you're basically saying is that white voters are so imprinted with liberalism that they would rather see America become a Third World nation than be perceived as racist. Note that I said perceived, because there is actually nothing racist about defending oneself against racial aggression. So millions of whites will continue to defer to the Obamas and the Sotomayors as they overtly work to promote the interests of non-whites at the expense of whites. They'll do this on the grounds that resistance would be an immoral tactic they wouldn't want to be associated with.

Well, you're probably right. Which is why at some point the nation will probably balkanize and that will be the end of the American experiment, assuming it isn't over already.

You can just forget about winning non-whites, because with the exception of some Asian groups which aren't all that big, it's a lost cause. So, in all likelihood, is America.

[Anti-Bubba182]

"What you're basically saying is that white voters are so imprinted with liberalism that they would rather see America become a Third World nation than be perceived as racist.... "

I said no such thing and go screw yourself for suggesting it. Being against racism and Jim Crow does not make one a liberal. The historical precedents for a White party strategy are parties like the Dixiecrats or American Independent Party, both defeated decisively in much Whiter times.

[puroresu]

I said no such thing and go screw yourself for suggesting it.

Thanks for maintaining such a high level of discourse.

It's exactly what you're saying, as your quote below demonstrates:

Being against racism and Jim Crow does not make one a liberal.

Where did anyone suggest promoting racism and Jim Crow? You see, you perceive any suggestion that white people have any interests at all as being racist. You perceive any suggestion that white voters should be courted as being racist and immoral. But no one feels that way about courting blacks or other minorities. All Dayton3 suggested was that the GOP should try to get more white votes (because winning the non-white vote is obviously not possible) and people think that's just the more horrible thing they've ever heard. To wit, they'd rather lose the country than try overtly to win white votes.

The historical precedents for a White party strategy are parties like the Dixiecrats or American Independent Party, both defeated decisively in much Whiter times.

Which is why I said you were probably right. Most, or at least 45% or so, of whites would rather lose the country to people like Obama and Sotomayor and La Raza than to be perceived as defending white interests. That would be "racist" in their minds, and they'd rather capitulate. And that's true even though Dayton3 and others are not suggesting the creation of a racist party. They're merely suggesting that the GOP take white interests into account when those interests are racially attacked from the left. But we live in such a PC world that that's considered racist.

[wardaddy]

The GOP would never get 70% of the White vote

Who told you such nonsense. We only need a few points more than last time out when we got 55%...a figure that used to insure GOP victory

like it or not Bubba , the GOP is the home to white conservatives for now...we cannot get enough blacks or browns to matter unless we become like Dems ...which is what some advocate...like Colin and Lindsey for example

you better wakeup and smell the coffee, the anti-white vote elected Obama as much or more than the kumbaya white vote and yes Virginia, race matters..at least when non whites vote

[wardaddy]

Conservatives stumble over themselves to show how their howling indignation over equating whites with conservatism even thought the voting stats show precisely that with a couple of small exceptions I noted upthread..mostly immigrants from Commie nations

it would be amusing if the stakes were not so high to watch such lemming like behavior...these kids here have no clue how they have been indoctrinated

amazing to watch smart people ignore harsh realities just because they are scared of being called a name and instead cling to bullshite notions about how Conservatism is above human realities when in fact there is zero proof of that other than in platitudes

we have given racial and religious minorities decades and decades of opportunities to grasp the simple ideals of protecting babies, national defense, capitalism, traditional values, fiscal responsibility and personal responsibility and consequence and yet for generations now certain racial and religious groups overwhelmingly have rejected such ideals and still we have Pollyannas here claiming none of that matters?

nuts....that sort of ignoring realities sitting on your face is what got us here?

where do you folks live?

[puroresu]

amazing to watch smart people ignore harsh realities just because they are scared of being called a name and instead cling to bullshite notions about how Conservatism is above human realities when in fact there is zero proof of that other than in platitudes

Exactly! I recall during the 2008 campaign when some conservatives were encouraging McCain to use the Reverend Wright issue against Obama. Not only did he refuse, as would be expected from a RINO like him, but it was suggested that it would be "racist" and "racially divisive" for him to use that issue.

Now if that doesn't show what a convoluted world we live in. Obama's ass sat in the pews of a racist hate church for 20 years. The preacher there ranted and raved against America, against white devils, and "Jew Zionists". But it would racist for a white candidate to make any mention of it (!). That's the situation we're dealing with, and it pops up on every thread like this, even here on a conservative forum. In response to overt racism and racial politics by the left, we're just to smile sweetly and try harder to win the non-white vote.

[wardaddy]

antibubba’s chart in post 24 is a bald faced farce ....it’s preposterous how incorrect it is...laughable

he needs to go back and try again on the white vote historically

in 2008, we got 55% of the white vote, not 74%

good lord...possibly the most inaccurate post I’ve ever seen here

only Miss, Utah ,Wyoming a few other conservastive states get 70 plus percent

here’s the link to 2008 just for starters...lol....I swear

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1

[Anti-Bubba182]

"..You see, you perceive any suggestion that white people have any interests at all as being racist. You perceive any suggestion that white voters should be courted as being racist and immoral..."

Again, you really need to take a flying leap.

What I said about THIS article is that it is stupid to ignore minority voters when the White vote is declining and Democrats have substantial numbers of hard corp White voters that are not going to change. Also, the dominant White voter opinion is to include minority participation and has been so for generations. That is why Thurmond and Wallace failed and that was at times when the vote was much Whiter an no PC to worry about either.

The idea that the GOP adopt an increase the White Vote strategy, "because winning the non-white vote is obviously not possible" would be perceived as racist is true and a far different matter than merely courting White voters as a segment of the general electorate. The GOP should reach out to all voters. It is not just a matter of perception and political angles. If the GOP stops reaching out to any major segment like Blacks or Hispanics you have Jim Crow and Racism right there.

[Anti-Bubba182]

That is the percentage of the TOTAL vote that was White, not the GOP share.

[Califreak]

I believe the formula for success is to actually REPRESENT the American people.

Neither side has been doing that for a while.

[wardaddy]

yep...and I did some research too ...

the most anyone got in recent years was in 72 and 84 with around 65% white vote going GOP

it has averaged 59% since 1968 going GOP when we win but we have won with as little as 54%

but this time we lost with 55% so this problem is two fold....yes, the white pool has shrunk but we also came out too light for McCain for obvious reasons

more whites are now liberal, there are less of us as a percentage due to uncontrolled immigration legal and illegal and the immigrants legal or not trend overwhelmingly liberal voters looking for government help and I think also instinctively vote anti-white since they are usually not

there is no conservative block in this nation outside white Christians of any consequence, not enough Viets or older Cubans to matter

history has shown we cannot make minorities into conservatives unless they want it..and so far they sure don’t want it and are in fact hostile to it

but we can put out a real conservative and hope to get white righties....many of whom stay home...to get out and vote

saying we can reach out and transform enough minorities to matter short of becoming Dems ourselves to appeal to their motivations is akin to producing hydrogen cars in a couple of years

ain’t gonna happen

[Gene Eric]

>> Why don’t we just forget about skin color and just tell everyone why Conservative principles are good for all 300 million Americans?

bttt

[Rome2000]

we're just to smile sweetly and try harder to win the non-white vote.

And theres a great chance of that happening, the moslem in chief has set race relations back about 60 years.

The blacks and hispanics went for the the usurper in chief by overwhelming margins,but they always vote for the socialists.

It was dumb white people who put Obama in the White House, and a lot of them have woken up and won't make that mistake again.

[Anti-Bubba182]

It is not necessary to turn people into "true believers" to get their vote. Many people do not have any coherent ideology but vote on a small number of personally important issues. If you get a good combination of those and conditions are right you can pick up enough votes to matter.