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Judge Upholds Subpoena of Pharmacist's Military Records (Ersland-Oklahoma)
newson6.com ^ | 6/11/2009 | Jennifer Pierce

Posted on 06/11/2009 6:56:55 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

The judge overruled the defense's motion to quash the subpoena for Jerome Ersland's military records.

Ersland was charged with murder last month after he shot back at two would-be robbers on May 19 at a south Oklahoma City pharmacy. Prosecutors say Ersland exceeded his legal authority to defend himself by shooting 16-year-old Antwun Parker five times after a first shot rendered the teen unconscious.

Attorney Irven Box objected the subpoena saying the records could contain privileged information about Ersland.

"First, we don't know what's in those military records. I don't know if there are statements my client has made that might incriminate him some way," Box said.

Box said the records also contain Ersland's medical history, he argued the release of that information would go against HIPPA law.

He isn't sure what the military records have to do with the events that happened at Reliable Discount Pharmacy.

"I think this is something by the state trying to build up something more to try and show they had a reason to file the case," Box said.

(Excerpt) Read more at newson6.com ...


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This judge is scum, no other way of saying that.
1 posted on 06/11/2009 6:56:55 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: holdonnow; STARWISE; HonestConservative; rightwingintelligentsia; Just Lori; Bahbah; rodguy911; ...

Come on, something has to be done about this.


2 posted on 06/11/2009 7:00:16 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Graphic stolen from Mount Athos Pray, Pray, Pray)
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To: Jim Robinson; KevinDavis

ping


3 posted on 06/11/2009 7:00:47 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Graphic stolen from Mount Athos Pray, Pray, Pray)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Ah, they’re going for the “hate crime” racist angle...

Look for more of this in 0bamanation. “Minorities” being excused for crimes while Whitey will be prosecuted for defending himself.


4 posted on 06/11/2009 7:02:28 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: MrB

Sadly, your post is right on.


5 posted on 06/11/2009 7:02:58 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: MrB

Tell me why, after, oh, the third shot or so, he hadn’t stopped defending himself. I’m having a really tough time supporting his actions, and I’m military and a CCH holder who carries about 95% of the time.

Colonel, USAFR


6 posted on 06/11/2009 7:06:10 AM PDT by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: jagusafr

Do you have a 3rd camera view which shows the perp on the ground lying there not traing to get up or reaching for something?

Because if you do, I would love to see it.

If you don’t, then by default you should be supporting someone defending his (and others) life.


7 posted on 06/11/2009 7:09:28 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: jagusafr

You, being highly trained, probably have a lot more control of your adrenaline and your actions under a life and death situation.

Most people probably wouldn’t (couldn’t) stop shooting a threat in their home until the mag was empty.


8 posted on 06/11/2009 7:10:44 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Red in Blue PA
I'm no expert, but I do watch 'so called' experts on TV :^

Time after time real hardened criminals get away with horrible crimes because 'past' records, deeds cannot be used against him....I understood it's 'the law'

From every indication this man has no 'record'...

..yet this judge seems to want anything that might be used against him....

What gives.

9 posted on 06/11/2009 7:15:20 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Guenevere

The law is used to protect the criminal class.....and the same law is used against law-abiding citizens.

This can go on for only so long.


10 posted on 06/11/2009 7:16:49 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: jagusafr
I have seen NO evidence to suggest that he shot an incapacitated person. None whatsoever.

He has offered a reasonable explanation for his actions.

I have seen no evidence to contradict or even cast doubt on his explanation. None whatsoever.

Have you?

If so, please describe it.

Absent such evidence, I see prosecutorial and judicial misconduct of the worst sort.

11 posted on 06/11/2009 7:16:53 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: jagusafr
Unfortunately, I have to agree. You can shoot them as many times as necessary while they are standing, but once they hit the ground motionless, they are no longer a threat.

His only hope is that he was dead when he hit the ground, therefore it's not murder, but desecration of a corpse.

12 posted on 06/11/2009 7:18:38 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: ArrogantBustard
"He has offered a reasonable explanation for his actions.

What were they?

13 posted on 06/11/2009 7:19:47 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Red in Blue PA
Nothing on the video shows the guy on the floor. Conscious or otherwise. Pharmacist said the guy was getting up and reaching for something.

I'd have shot him again too... Especially after I'd just gotten shot while they were trying to rob me.

14 posted on 06/11/2009 7:21:08 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Show me the video where the perp is motionless!

There is no video!

You are convicting a man based on assumptions????


15 posted on 06/11/2009 7:21:26 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Nathan Zachary
He says the downed perp was getting back up.

That makes him a threat again, and fair game.

Downed perp had previously been hit once in the head with a .380; the claim is completely believable.

.380 is fairly wimpy.

16 posted on 06/11/2009 7:22:40 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Dead Corpse; All

Once someone points a gun at you, and your life is threatened, all bets are off.

In fact, I would go so far as to advocate an “Open Season Doctrine” whereby any force can be used on a perp once lives are threatened, even if they drop their gun or lie motionless. Has anyone seen the recidivism rates of violent criminals???? In a just world, that is how it would work.


17 posted on 06/11/2009 7:23:40 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

BTW, if you have evidence that the downed perp was actually incapacitated when shot the second time, please provide it.


18 posted on 06/11/2009 7:23:55 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: jagusafr
Where you there? Did you see whether or not the perp was still moving after the first grazing wound knocked him down? Do you have anything from the released video tapes that might support your conclusion?

Yeah... Didn't think so. I'm going with the original victims story here. He was shot by the robbers, what happens to the criminals after that is "justice" delivered via their intended victim.

19 posted on 06/11/2009 7:24:13 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: ArrogantBustard

The .380 is the SMALLEST of the calibers recommended for self-defense.


20 posted on 06/11/2009 7:24:30 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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