Posted on 06/07/2009 9:24:08 PM PDT by doug from upland
Headline tells the story
They played with fire...they got burned. What sort of arrogance does it take to be that stupid?
I am sure this was noted in the “trial”. (Kangaroo Court, actually), up there in Pyongyang.
Kids Letters to Kim Jong il.
Something like that.
They must be disappointed. They TOLD us and they SANG to us (while their birkenstock parents in the back applauded and smirked), that the WHOLE WORLD WOULD CHANGE WITH OBAMA IN POWER.
Their family said they didn’t intend to cross the border, so maybe it was all an accident.
Outrageous.....we better pressure NK to release them through our intermediaries the Swedes.
“I don’t like to see anyone abused, but I have a hard time mourning for leftists who fall afoul of their own kind.”
That’s my feeling too. If they weren’t wacky leftists they wouldn’t be in North Korea. They should have known the risks.
I meant ping to 164 (oops)
We are dealing with North Korea, which is unlike anything you have ever seen nor can imagine.
There is no reason whatsoever to think the North Koreans will act any different to the families of these two, than toward the families of many Japanese who have been waiting some upwards to 30 years to get their relatives out, and even Prime Minister Koizumi flew to Pyongyang to try to get as many as possible--with limited success.
It is not realistic. They will not be released until one of two things happen:
a) They, the DPRK, have given a handsome bribe from the US government to their liking;
b) their regime falls due to war or coup d'etat and somehow these girls find their way out toward some who can help them, like occupying US military forces or special forces, Red Cross, NGOs in North Korea/foreign diplomats, somebody like that.
In that sense, it could take years (unless of course Obama concedes).
If there is no concession, and no other impetus, they may never been seen alive again sad to say, they could just "disappear" or "have had an illness" of some sort. There are many cases of North Korea just saying these things about those known to be in their captivity; no body returned, no explanation, no nothing. Sweden cannot help them, not even China. Nobody actually. There is no reason to believe this horrific regime will act any different over this. They are just on a completely different wavelength than the rest of the world; and it is just plain inhuman.
They can have Jack Cafferty & Donna Brazile too.
If anything, these astonishing, cruel facts about the human situation inside Yodok and the many other North Korean concentration (labor) camps, can be intimated to the world. Enough defectors have come out to talk about it. That this is occuring as we speak. And that if according to North Korean law, within 10 days if Obama does not blink or Bill Richardson or Al Gore do not go up there and kowtow, the two women will be heading into this hell on earth where they will suffer immense physical and mental suffering.
I'd throw in Nancy Pelosi as well. Gore can be Kim's butler, and Pelosi can do his dishes.
While Obama decided to take a side trip in Paris, date his transgenderred wife on a Pretty Womanesque night at the opera in NYC two American citizens were being held hostage by a sworn enemy. Bad as striper fishing the weekend of Gulf War I is'nt it.
As posted on DU! I got some real venom for that. Keep telling them Obama is a disaster and he will lose in 2012, they hate that.
PS: What were these reporters doing there for Gore’s network? Looking for signs of Global Warming in highly advanced and heavily industrialized North Korea?
Hillary’s doing a “heck of a job.”
In the camps, the women are freely raped, and if they get pregnant, undergo forced abortions.
The Norks want something, clearly.
"...Compiled by veteran human rights researcher David Hawk, who worked on documenting such events as the Cambodian genocide of the 1970s and Rwandan slaughter of the 1990s, this 120-page document provides the most thorough account yet of what Mr. Hawk described to me in a phone interview this week as an elaborate institution of grotesque abuse that even among the most terrible prison systems on the planet ranks as "the worst." (The report should be available this afternoon at http://www.hrnk.org/.) To map the system, Mr. Hawk, an American, spent substantial time over the past 15 months in South Korea, seeking out North Korean defectors with firsthand experience of Kim Jong Il's gulag. Experienced in probing for consistency and accuracy in stories of repression, Mr. Hawk, together with the U.S Committee on Human Rights in North Korea, painstakingly pieced together the ways in which the accounts most reliably tally with each other, and provide a broader picture. He also asked the defectors to draw diagrams of the camps, which the committee then helped correlate with satellite photos of the areas described. The drawings and satellite imagery matched up, and former camp inmates were able to identify features of the camps, right down to the dormitories they had lived in, the buildings where they had been beaten or spent time in solitary confinement, in excruciating pain, locked in cells too small to let them stretch their limbs. They could pinpoint places where they had seen their peers murdered, or watched them die of overwork and starvation. With this report, we can peer into substantial swathes of Kim Jong Il's slave camps, know what we are looking at, and understand far more precisely the horrors inflicted upon the inmates. Mr. Hawk notes that there is no way to calculate a clear total, or know just how many have died and been replaced by yet more prisoners. But current estimates of the number of political prisoners in the lifetime camps alone, run to between 150,000 and 200,000. The report includes a chilling warning that as more information comes to light, it will be important to keep close watch in whatever ways we can, lest Kim try to destroy the evidence by simply massacring all the prisoners."
Perfect, and if he doesn't come back it would be a trifecta!
The other phrase is kyo-hwa-so, which means "long-term prison-labor camps," to which both political offenders and common criminals are sentenced for specific terms, and where there is some pretense of "re-education through labor." But in these North Korean camps, recounts this report, "loss of life occurs at such high rates that many of the kyo-hwa-so are perceived by prisoners as death camps in that they expect to die before the completion of their sentences." Beyond that, there are the special detention centers--especially brutal--for North Koreans forcibly repatriated after trying to flee into China, The report presents the grim individual stories of 30 defectors interviewed by Mr. Hawk in-depth, and culled from these, to further clarify the customs of the camps, is a long list of the tortures described. "Worst of all," as the report puts it, is a roster of stories detailing the routine murder of babies born to prisoners, as told by eight separate eyewitnesses. One common denominator is that when pregnant women are forcibly repatriated after fleeing to China, it is policy to murder their newborns, because they might have been fathered by Chinese men. One account describes babies tossed on the ground to die, with their mothers forced to watch. In another interview, a former prisoner, a 66-year-old grandmother, identified as "Detainee #24" to protect relatives still perhaps alive in North Korea, describes being assigned to help in the delivery of babies who were thrown immediately into a plastic-lined box to die in bulk lots. The report notes: "The interviewer had difficulty finding words to describe the sadness in this grandmother's eyes and the anguish on her face as she recounted her experience as a midwife at the detention center in South Sinuiju"--one of the sites shown in detail in the accompanying satellite photos. There is far more in this report than can be summarized here. Inscribed in blood, etched in human agony, across the vast landscape of Kim Jong Il's gulag, his kwan-li-so, his kyo-hwa-so, is the basic character of this regime whose safety we now propose to ensure. We can no longer plead we do not know what is happening in North Korea's gulag. We ignore its message at our own peril...
This was written over six years ago and in the Wall Street Journal. WHERE WERE THE CANDLE LIGHT VIGIL SAN FRANCISCO LIBERALS THEN??!
“They can have Jack Cafferty & Donna Brazile too.”
Ohhhhhhhh...from your lips...
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