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Demonstrators call for firing of officer videotaped striking mentally disabled man
northjersey ^ | June 6, 2009 | ELIZABETH LLORENTE

Posted on 06/06/2009 7:06:37 PM PDT by Coleus

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To: USNBandit

This police brutality thing going on is way out of hand. We have to reign it in but that is going make room for liars, race pimps and criminals to go after police officers and get away with crime like they used to do. Unfortunately, there does not seem to be professional supervision - only criminal protection for officers no matter what they do - in some departments.

We have to swing it back and get our cops and their supervisors retrained and back in line. Some are acting like a corrupt foreign police and too many are getting away with it.


21 posted on 06/06/2009 7:58:38 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: worst-case scenario

Please look at the video again: Rio’s partner TOOK THE BATON OUT OF RIO’S HAND AND PUT IN THE PATROL CAR...that shows he knew Rio’s should not be using the baton........

Andjust because one cop goes along with another, doesn’t make the act right.........

The lady in with the baby wasn’t there to see the beginning of the altercation, so her attitude doesn’t count...

PLUE: you only see video, you don’t know what these 2 people were thinking or what they were saying.

Therefore, your statement is valueless...


22 posted on 06/06/2009 8:05:17 PM PDT by Ecliptic
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To: csense

So, the punishment for an unzipped sweater in that town is being beat with a baton? Even if you are not mentally off, it shouldn’t happen...

What then should be the punishment for running a way? being shot in the back...

How about robbing a back? What should the punishment be for that by the police? Shot on sight?


23 posted on 06/06/2009 8:10:40 PM PDT by Ecliptic
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To: Coleus

I noted a common error: “Police are here to protect us.”

Is that really the case? In a manner of speaking, police only protect us in the way executing a murderer protects us. The murderer is already in prison, so the execution is more a deterrent to others—no real protection to the person murdered, or to the public as a whole to any great degree beyond imprisonment.

It’s a matter of timing. If the police show up before the criminal and prevent the criminal from committing the crime, they are “protecting” us. But otherwise, they are not protecting, but avenging, trying to arrest the criminal after they have committed the crime.

And this is a good argument for gun rights. “There is never a cop around when you need one”, is often the case. It’s not the fault of the police, it just means this is too big a place for police to be everywhere.

So while the police can’t protect us, guns can.


24 posted on 06/06/2009 8:31:32 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Coleus

Looks like officer Rio is using the public to sublimate some past life stress, or is working off stress he feels in the course of his day at work.

I’m pretty sure he is in the wrong line profession.


25 posted on 06/06/2009 8:31:36 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Coleus

I’ll fully support any law enforcement officer, duly enforcing the law in a just manner. If this man had been resisting arrest, or had even mouthed off at the officer, I might have some degree of understanding. But, he wasn’t, and I don’t. He’s a thug with a badge, and should be brought up on charges himself and removed from the police force.


26 posted on 06/06/2009 8:34:46 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Coleus
Interesting comments section after the article. A couple of real piggies "hooked on violence" showed up.
27 posted on 06/06/2009 8:37:07 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: 4yearlurker

I often think the cops are abusing their authority in these situation, but I don’t see it in this case.

1. Cop takes the guy to his hood.

2. The guy gets away from him.

3. So the cop takes him down and hits him.

I thought the cop was quite restrained given the guy got away from him when he had him on the hood of the car.

Now like everyone else, I don’t exactly see why the cop decided to search or maybe arrest him. But sorry even if the cop is wrong to search/arrest you, you don’t get to resist which the guy clearly did.


28 posted on 06/06/2009 8:38:36 PM PDT by JLS
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To: hinckley buzzard

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/06/jersey.police.beating/

“Holloway said he had exchanged no words with the officer before he pounced on him.”


29 posted on 06/06/2009 8:39:35 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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“Holloway said he had exchanged no words with the officer before he pounced on him.”

There was some sort of exchange between Holloway and the female officer before he was "pounced on".

30 posted on 06/06/2009 8:52:09 PM PDT by Trinity5
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To: Coleus

The officer is just using the guy for physical training as a punching bag. Nothing wrong with that. If the cop could afford to buy a gym membership and get a decent workout he wouldn’t need to beat the black guy. Ya gotta bulk up where you can.

Police need more money for gym memberships. Lets give them a raise. /sarcasm obviously.


31 posted on 06/06/2009 9:24:55 PM PDT by Alex Kida
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To: Ecliptic
So, the punishment for an unzipped sweater in that town is being beat with a baton? Even if you are not mentally off, it shouldn’t happen... What then should be the punishment for running a way? being shot in the back... How about robbing a back? What should the punishment be for that by the police? Shot on sight?

I don't have a position on any of those things regarding this case. Since there's no audio with the video, it's hard to determine exactly what happened.

Some of the comments on page two of the link, though, are very interesting. Here's the very first one:

Dominick says: Holloway is a notorious crackhead, he's no innocent babe in the woods. I'm just glad that the cop was Hispanic, or else "Rev" Al Sharpton and the other hate-whitey race baiters would be polluting our city with their presence. If you raise your hands to a police officer you should get your a** kicked.

Personally, I like to do a little bit of research before I jump to conclusions like some here are doing.

32 posted on 06/06/2009 9:33:39 PM PDT by csense
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To: Coleus
He said he was taking his nightly walk when Rios and at least one other officer passed by him in their cruiser and asked him to zip his sweatshirt, which he said he had unzipped because he felt warm

And the cop stopped and beat beat the guy for this?, This cop should't be fired,he should be publicly horsewhipped

33 posted on 06/06/2009 9:37:18 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: SaraJohnson
We have to swing it back and get our cops and their supervisors retrained and back in line.

What we see is the extremely small fraction of millions of contacts made with citizens by police every day. They don't represent even a reasonable percentage of police. If they did the news would be full of these stories.

34 posted on 06/06/2009 9:39:37 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Ecliptic

I said that the violence that Rios showed towards the man he was beating didn’t seem to give anybody pause. They both treated it like it was daily business, for whatever reason. No shock or horror. And I don’t have to know what they were saying or thinking to see their physical behavior.

If you find no value in my statements, no problem. It’s not like you paid for them and therefore I cheated you. And because a statement has no value to you doesn’t mean that is it “valueless” in general. Why, look, it started a momentary conversation between you and I, which might be of value to someone that values actual human interaction of a positive nature.

Thanks, dude.


35 posted on 06/06/2009 10:43:10 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: Coleus
wandering with the intent to purchase narcotics

WTH?

36 posted on 06/06/2009 11:16:57 PM PDT by Dianna (Obama Barbie: Governing is hard.)
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To: JLS
I often think the cops are abusing their authority in these situation, but I don’t see it in this case.

The video is playing at high speed. Because of the pole, and because things are moving so quickly, we can't quite see what actually happened on the hood of the car.

Police seem to be very quick to grab people and physically push them around. When you're dealing with someone mentally off (because of illness or drugs), I'm not sure that's the best first approach.

I'd guess that someone who is impaired is going to react more instinctually to being physically coerced than clear-headedly. It's less resisting arrest than resisting being injured.

37 posted on 06/06/2009 11:43:38 PM PDT by Dianna (Obama Barbie: Governing is hard.)
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Which is why it’s great to be a policeman who likes to smack people around of you work in a town like Passaic which takes such physical violence for granted?


38 posted on 06/07/2009 12:00:57 AM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: USNBandit
What we see is the extremely small fraction of millions of contacts made with citizens by police every day. They don't represent even a reasonable percentage of police. If they did the news would be full of these stories.

I'm glad I read your tagline. For a moment, I thought you were serious.

What we see are only the most extreme examples of police misconduct... the beatdown of a teenage girl inside a jail cell, the shooting of a wheelchair bound elderly lady (and the planting of drugs on her to justify the cops being in the wrong location), etc. What we DO NOT see are all of the stories of abuse that do not reach the levels needed to attract the attention of the media.

Lying, making false charges, illegal searches, threats, and less extreme examples of physical abuse are far more common than most people think.

(I have a neighbor who is a cop, and brags about what they "get away with" at our neighborhood block parties.)

39 posted on 06/07/2009 5:32:44 AM PDT by PalmettoMason ("an empty limousine pulled up in front of the White House, and Barack Obama got out")
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To: csense
Sorry, but this doesn't sound like someone who is mentally disabled. I don't know who was right or wrong here, but my BS/spinmeter is pinging right about now....

Your BS meter seems to think that mentally disabled automatically means "Lobotomized: always catonic and drooling".

It could mean "Anxiety Disorder: has a panic attack and curls up in a ball of tears under stress"

Have your BS meter calibrated. And stop watching so much hollywood crap.

40 posted on 06/07/2009 4:04:52 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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