Posted on 06/06/2009 3:46:22 PM PDT by jamese777
Question: What is the state's policy for issuing a "Certification of Live Birth" versus a "Certificate of Live Birth"? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier's name and title; attendant's name and title, etc. The certification has only the child's name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother's maiden name, mother's race, father's name and father's race. Why doesn't the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?
Answer: No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.
The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
And, it's only available in electronic form.
Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.
"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.
Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.
Okubo said the Health Department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate."
"The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models," she said.
Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."
She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."
(Excerpt) Read more at starbulletin.com ...
I wouldn’t count on it. LOL
All I was doing was simply “translating” the article... :-)
Now.., dennisw, are you trying to cause trouble on this thread? LOL...
Exactly what I thought, and figured a while ago when Hawaii locked Obama's Birth records. There must be something on there that has to be kept hidden for some reason. When he was asked to produce a Birth Certificate, he must have contacted the state and received the new "adjusted" type.
Still, I wonder...why is his race described as "African," as African is not a race. Black is a race, such as White is a race. And, Obama is not of African heritage but Arabic heritage and they lived in Africa.
This whole issue is clouded in a fog, on purpose, evidently, and maybe not (initially) for any political reason but something that was embarassing to the family. I think the grandparent's had some reason to have this fraud done long ago, and maybe Obama never knew really what his heritage was until he started investigating. Or maybe his mother became pregnant before his father was divorced from his previous wife. Who knows...but, perhaps that is why he hates White people so much. His white mother had some secret and then left him, his white grandparents hid the secret and lied to him. Could make a child a bit paranoid.
Yes, Obama had a troubled family, and grew up as a trouble child and has now become a troubled adult... :-)
Think about all the FR obamanoids who chided birthers with ‘the Republican governor sealed his long form birth certificate.’ The dissonance is rising as the obamanoid affirmative action figure administration has pressure to release actaul legitimate proof brought to bear on them. What has been ‘released’ by the lying bastard is a forgery, a complete fraud from the start.
Story is complete rubbish.
Obama’s ORIGINAL birth records have been sealed by the state of Hawaii. This “Certification of Live Birth” discussed in the article is not a substitute for the original birth certificate which they have on file and are sealed.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=79174
This is where the issue of passports, college records, etc. come into play. As I understand it, the only documents that have been released besides the COB are his Indonesian Elementary School Registration form and a questionable draft registration card....
You said — Story is complete rubbish.
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Maybe it is... but, if so, then you are saying that this statement below is also “rubbish” and thus not true?
Okubo also emphasized the certification form “contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate.”
She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state’s current certification of live birth “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.”
Just wondering where that is not true. It would be interesting to document that and where it’s not true.
Sorry, so far there is no legitimate CoLB that anyone can point to. The thing posted on the Internet has been exposed as a fraud and not even a particularly good forgery.
A “certification of live birth” can include births which were subsequently registered in the state of Hawaii for infants up to 1 year of age (a policy which was available in Hawaii up until 1982).
Okubu has never, in any form, ever stated that whatever Obama has SEALED on file in Hawaii would fullfill the definition of a “natural born citizen” as defined by our constitution.
...the states current certification of live birth as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.....
The above statement has nothing to do with the question of meeting elligibility standards to hold Office of the President.
Translation: We converted all the old Birth Certificates into electronic facsimile “Certifications” and then destroyed the originals. Tough noogies..
You said — The above statement has nothing to do with the question of meeting elligibility standards to hold Office of the President.
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So you say, but they said...
“... meeting all federal and other requirements.
And that, I would say, is the crux of the problem (in terms of this particular discussion and thread) — in that they used the word “all”...
My understanding of the word “all” would be that it includes the office of President of the United States, too.
Last I heard, he and Vince Foster are roomies.
Just release the document which is sealed, and on file with the state of Hawaii that simply shows the name and location of the Hospital.
Every other state issues birth certificates with this detail if requested. So does Hawaii, and whoever wrote this article completely glossed over these vital details.
More slight of hand by Obamabots to diffuse the every growing outrage about this fraud of a president.
I’m just trying to find out where that statement by the official from the State of Hawaii is wrong. Either it does apply to “all” or it doesn’t.
And if it doesn’t apply to “all” federal requirements, then that state official needs to be “called on the carpet” and he needs to change his statement. If he doesn’t change his statement, then that obviously means that he’s right.
I would like to find out which way it’s going to go.
Let me know when he changes his official statement for the State of Hawaii...
That may be the answer to all our problems - his birth certificate is hidden because he’s only 8 years old, and thus too young to serve!
(sarcasm, here)
Oh I did not mean to imply that it was legit (which I doubt it was)—just that it was released :(
All I was doing was simply translating the article... :-)
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Yea sure you were. You are hoping your KENYAN MARXIST boy is never exposed.
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