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To: MHGinTN

That’s okay. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me. I do plan on explaining why I think you are wrong to look at things as you do here.

For instance, I don’t think the killing of the abortion doctor stands on a level playing field with the killing of the recruiters. You and I agree on that point. The problem is, you and I aren’t making the rules regarding these killings.

Both killers thought they were eliminating very evil people. That’s what we have to deal with, even if every fiber of our being screams out to us that the recruiters weren’t. We don’t get to universally rule on behalf of the psychotic, who is judged to be evil and who isn’t.

If we get to kill the people we think are Satanic, then the left is going to be able to kill people they think are Satanic. I can’t sign on to that.

Do you realize that there are people out there who think Christians are evil? How would you like to live in the United States with leftists assassinating Christians at will? We can add, those who oppose homosexual’s demands, those who oppose abortion, those who support the military... and on and on it goes.

Once you open up this pandora’s box, you won’t be able to stop it. It will essentially turn this nation into one big Hatfiled vs McCoys killing fest.

So go ahead and think that others bested me. I will accept your verdict. And I will watch as what I have warned you about comes to fruition.


60 posted on 06/06/2009 11:35:17 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama post 09/11. The U.S. is sorry, we are a Muslim nation, and we surrender.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I’m sorry, you’ve once again tried to foist the undistributed middle ... your appeal to the exception, to the extreme, to the blurred moral ‘tolerance for peace sake’ is pure liberal bilge ... and I don’t think you’re a liberal, so it is distressing to me when you do this! Those who lack moral clarity cannot discern good and evil. In fact, Islamic murderers are so lacking in clarity they are blinded by dogma. Your equating them—Islamic murderers—with those outraged by the mourning of this serial killer, George Tiller, is distressing. ... Actually, it is downright disgusting.


61 posted on 06/06/2009 11:50:21 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“If we get to kill the people we think are Satanic, then the left is going to be able to kill people they think are Satanic. I can’t sign on to that.” Some people need killin’ ... you are already the target of the satanic Islamists. To try and blur that out with platitudes ... well, have a nice day. I don’t have the patience to address any more of your non-sequiturs.


63 posted on 06/06/2009 11:52:23 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: DoughtyOne

DO,there is a moral equivalence going on by the Left and the Right, and it is exemplified by the Tiller and the Long murders.

Tiller is evil. We would all like to believe Divine judgment came upon him, but he was executed by a vigilante.
Roeder did illegally what we all wished God would do righteously. But we are not correct to say that these two are equivalent or right because of the end result.

Tiller was wrong to kill, but all souls belong to God. God says that vengeance is His, and that vengeance comes in a method and at a time of His own choosing, not ours.

In the Long murder, a jihadi believed that the soldier was an extension of the Great Satan, America. In his world view, America is an oppressor of Islam and must be subdued. The jihadi believed he was correct to attack this extension of America, these two uniformed soldiers. It is not hard to see how the Left, as unhinged at times as the jihadi, would come to see that the killing of Christians or Conservatives, who suppress progressive advances due to their supposed backward thinking, is a good and necessary thing, just as the jihadi came to his incorrect and immoral conclusion.

DO, you are correct that both these views are wrong and immoral. And if both are allowed to fester, there will be an open season on many innocent people due to political beliefs or worldviews. In a free society, that is a sign of breakdown, not of moral cleansing.

Looking past Tiller and Long, the fault lines are being drawn for a struggle on a bigger scale, of which Tiller/Long is but a small reflection of things to come.

I sense a day is coming not unlike Lexington and Concord, a day of rebellion in which violence will be a reaction to the rapid sea change taking place in our society. The ties that bind in a society like ours are coming apart, either by design or by chance, but they are disintegrating.

There will be a struggle whether traditonal American values survive and thrive, or they are replaced by the vision of a new world order and its secular humanistic view of mankind.

In 1775 and in 1861 Americans were forced to take a stand, and to choose a side. Such a time is coming upon us once again.

Tiller and Long’s death are the result of decisions of men, incorrect, immoral decisions of men acting upon their free will and judging the value of the life of another person. God could have killed Tiller that day another way, or He could have saved Pvt. Long from the jihadi.

But His ways are not our ways.

My life has spanned from the 1950s until now. For over five decades I have lived a secure life, and an abundant one here in America.

But there is a foreboding that the stability and prosperity of life I have known since childhood is about to come to an end. A catharsis of history is about to descend upon us, whether we welcome it or not.

We cannot be judge, jury and executioner. But there may a time coming when we all will be thrown into a brave new world where ideas will have to be fought for and died for in America once again.

Should that time come our way, it will evident to all. Until then, we must operate within the authority of government that we have until it loses its legitimacy or it actively seeks our demise.

Then, we need to fight with every ounce of strength we can muster.


67 posted on 06/06/2009 12:18:38 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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