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“Obsessional” Fear of Suffering Ushering in Euthanasia Culture: Prominent Bioethicist
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| 6/3/09
| Kathleen Gilbert
Posted on 06/03/2009 12:54:57 PM PDT by wagglebee
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"Unless people engage that with a clear eye that they're in a 'coup d'culture,' that they need to man the battlements and ramparts to keep the barbarians from getting through the gates, they'll get through the gates," said Smith. "And believe me, if these people get through the gates, they're not going to be gentle about 'tolerance' and 'freedom,' because that's not their gig. That's their gig when they're on the outside; when they're on the inside, their gig is power." Exactly, we are engaged in a life and death struggle with the culture of death.
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06/03/2009 12:54:57 PM PDT
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wagglebee
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06/03/2009 12:56:31 PM PDT
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wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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posted on
06/03/2009 12:56:58 PM PDT
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wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: wagglebee
Many would call appropriate pain management in severe cancer patients assisted suicide. Surely you are not suggesting that one MUST accept medical care for EVERY illness or disease?
To: the long march
Surely you are not suggesting that one MUST accept medical care for EVERY illness or disease? Absolutely not.
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posted on
06/03/2009 1:03:24 PM PDT
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wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: wagglebee
Then address the rest of my comment. At what point does one say, yes enough is enough do palliative care only?
To: the long march
Many would call appropriate pain management in severe cancer patients assisted suicide. There is a huge difference between using necessary levels of pain medication that happens to hasten death and deliberately overdosing a person with the intent of causing death.
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posted on
06/03/2009 1:05:09 PM PDT
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wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: the long march
I don’t like pain medication. Pain means I’m still alive and doing things I was never supposed to be able to do again.
Well worth the “suffering” as far as I’m concerned.
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posted on
06/03/2009 1:07:10 PM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
To: wagglebee
There are times when that line is not a bright clear one. Are you not relieveing suffering and death occurs in both cases? If you know that the next dose of pain meds will kill your patient how is that different than knowing that the next dose of pain meds will kill your patient? Don’t get me wrong I am not one who advocates for ‘assisted suicide”. But thelines can be very very blurry
To: cripplecreek
Wait until you are stage 4 cancer ( pancreatic , liver, gut) and I believe you will in fact change your mind. Ever had a gqall bladder attack so severe that your gall bladder had to be removed? Ever had 10 out of 10 pain? I am pretty sure the answer is no
To: the long march
Wait until you are stage 4 cancer ( pancreatic , liver, gut) and I believe you will in fact change your mind.
That's terminal. I'm more concerned with eutanasia of people who need not die.
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06/03/2009 1:12:54 PM PDT
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cripplecreek
(The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: the long march
At what point does one say, yes enough is enough do palliative care only? This should be SOLELY at the discretion of the patient.
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posted on
06/03/2009 1:15:19 PM PDT
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wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: the long march
The lines are not at all blurry, it is a matter of intent.
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posted on
06/03/2009 1:16:32 PM PDT
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wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: cripplecreek
There are certainly instances where pain medication is absolutely necessary and not having it will actually shorten a person’s life because the pain interferes with healing.
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posted on
06/03/2009 1:21:04 PM PDT
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wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: wagglebee
we are engaged in a life and death struggle with the culture of deathSuicide is not murder. Assisted suicide (euthanasia) is not murder.
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posted on
06/03/2009 1:21:54 PM PDT
by
Glenn
(Free Venezuela!)
To: Corp Klinger
In my day, people suffering from debilitating pain, loss of motor and bowel control and frequent respiratory arrest just sucked it up and thanked God for the gift of another day Not the dumbest post ever, but it's certainly in the running.
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posted on
06/03/2009 1:22:01 PM PDT
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Melas
To: Corp Klinger
People have gone soft.
That's really what I was getting at. Some people are going to die and there's no way around that. Then there are those who simply want to die because they can't cope.
Its a slippery slope that leads to situations like Europe where you can have a limb amputated for no other reason than wanting it amputated. A child can be killed simply because the parent doesn't want to "suffer" with a child who is deformed or mentally retarded.
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posted on
06/03/2009 1:22:42 PM PDT
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cripplecreek
(The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
To: Glenn
Suicide is not murder. Assisted suicide (euthanasia) is not murder. Suicide and assisted suicide are generally considered homicide, euthanasia IS murder.
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posted on
06/03/2009 1:27:31 PM PDT
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wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: wagglebee
Suicide and assisted suicide are generally considered homicide, euthanasia IS murder.Semantic trickery.
I'm a big boy and I can make up my own mind about a DNR and, in fact, I did submit them during two critical heart surgeries within the last five years.
If I should come down with a terminal illness, I'd prefer the busybodies and the government stay out of my business.
Death is a multibillion dollar industry in America and it needn't be.
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posted on
06/03/2009 1:33:29 PM PDT
by
Glenn
(Free Venezuela!)
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