Tiller's Killing: Necessary... But Unlawful

Commonweal Review Magazine ^ | June 3, 2009, 8:07 am | David Gibson

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Amen!

And the Lakers won. God is good.

[P-Marlowe]

Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words." -- Jeremiah 18:1-2

I happened on Jeremiah 18 a couple of weeks ago and found that chapter to be filled to the brim with all manner of theological gems.

I posted this thread and have been looking for other sermons on the chapter.

[Alamo-Girl]

As a general rule as a thread progresses, the ping lists tend to grow. I have had a number of disagreements with wagglebee on this thread and others. He did not ping his "posse", he just pinged a bunch of us who had responded to his posts, argued with him, agreed with him or whatever.

Indeed, I had already been pinged by metmom to the post by humblegunner.

And my reply to her was "Jeepers" which roughly means I never would have expected that from him.

I very much appreciate the follow-up pings in the hopes that he will extend and clarify the earlier remarks as all of you shed light on why that initial post was so disturbing.

[Clintonfatigued]

What if Tiller’s widow were to hire a hitman to kill Roeder? Using your logic, that would be perfectly OK.

[P-Marlowe]

Someone else will fill the gap, and in the meantime, Tiller the Killer has become a martyr.

I Don't think so. I suspect that anyone who has seen his handiwork will be glad that he is dead. Most people who consider themselves "pro-choice" are repelled by the likes of Tiller. Roeder not only killed him, but brought light to his abominiations.

I will pray that Roeder is acquitted. He has already saved more lives than he took, and it's only Thursday.

[xzins]

You didn’t answer the question.

Do YOU think abortion is murder?

Let us say that there is a murderer (person A) who operates only between midnight and 4 am when everyone is asleep. Let’s say that the government creates a law that says that isn’t murder because they were asleep anyway, and now they continue to be in sleep.

At the time of their deaths they were “sleepers.” They’re still “sleepers.”

So the murderer continues killing from midnight to 4 am. Lots of liberals are happy with it, because it rids us of the surplus population.

Person B comes along and offs the murderer, but he gets charged with murder, because his act wasn’t between midnight and 4am, and the murderer was awake and not asleep.

Is person B a murderer? Is person A a murderer...after all, the law says he isn’t?

Is it just possible....vaguely possible...that the LAW is wrong?

[P-Marlowe]

Do you believe that if he had not been killed on Sunday, that Tiller was going to eat breakfast, read the paper and go to work and murder an innocent child or two on Monday morning?

I do.

That is why I find it hard to condemn Roeder. Roeder obviously believes he killed a cold blooded serial child murderer. Do you believe that? Really?

[QBFimi]

Tiller ping

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Serendipity. Here's George Whitefield's sermon on Jeremiah 18...

THE POTTER AND THE CLAY

[Dr. Eckleburg]

And my reply to her was "Jeepers" which roughly means...

I've learned within that "Jeepers" lies a multitude. 8~)

[P-Marlowe]

Serendipity.

I think you meant to say... DIVINE PROVIDENCE. :-)

Thanks

[Alamo-Girl]

LOLOL!

[TigersEye]

Interesting questions but I don’t see how they relate to the hypothetical point I was making.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

CALVIN ON JEREMIAH 18

[hocndoc]

Good move, HG.

(By the way, your original view doesn’t leave much leeway for the Lord’s work in each person’s life. He’s much more likely to turn a live sinner into a - sometimes reluctant - prophet or preacher than a dead innocent.

He is the Creator and has been known to resurrect people. But that’s rare.)

[Lord_Calvinus]

Greeting from the great gun toting state of Texas.

[wagglebee]

I've been accused of being a Calvinist. I think wagglebee may have accused me of that on one or two occasions.

No, I don't think I ever accused you of being a Calvinist.

I'm pretty sure that I did call you a "Jack Chick comic book reading snake handler" (we're not in the Religion Forum, so I can say Jack Chick all I want) once or twice. :-)

[Clintonfatigued]

Abortion is murder at some point. Late term abortion definitely is. And Roe vs. Wade is terrible law. But shooting an unarmed man in church in the name of life doesn’t help the cause at all.

Public opinion had turned our way. Hopefully, the public will recognize it as the abberation that it is. But comments supporting it from pro-lifers endanger any gains the pro-life movement has made.

[xzins]

Late term abortion definitely is. And Roe vs. Wade is terrible law.

Yet, Roe v. Wade is declared "stare decisis". It is settled law that cannot be assailed is how it is presented. And it was not enacted by legislature, but was imposed by judicial fiat.

It is a usurpation, a disenfranchisement, and the seeds of violent opposition lie in that very fact.

[HarleyD]

Where do you draw the line between Biblically justified and unjustified under these circumstances?

I am reminded of Johnathan Edwards sermon. His text was the following:

Deu 32:35 'Vengeance is Mine, and retribution, In due time their foot will slip; For the day of their calamity is near, And the impending things are hastening upon them.'

Christians need to wait upon the Lord. We don't always see justice, but in due time justice will be given.