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To: oneamericanvoice

Sorry if you were offended by sincere, honest debate on a discussion group. If you don’t like your ideas being challenged, perhaps you should keep them to yourself.

It is easy to talk about being pro-life, and hold that as a philosophical position.

When it comes to actually stopping evil in the world it often takes more than words or philosophies, and even more than voting and political activism.

There are times to beat your swords into plowshares...and times to beat your plowshares into swords, as history abundantly (and thankfully) illustrates.

God often chooses to solve evil in the world through violent activity, sometimes directly, as in Noah’s day and the Red Sea, and other times through His people as in the possession of Canaan. He has also ordained secular authorities (hopefully with Christian propensities, but often not) as in Romans 13. Early Christians obeyed their authorities as closely as they could and still be obedient to God (which means they often broke the law in order to obey and please God).

I didn’t ask you if you believed in killing various groups of people, I assumed you didn’t. What I did ask was at what point you would personally draw the line and disobey secular authority that was destroying innocent life or permitting its destruction. If you would like historical examples think of Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, Pol Pot’s Cambodia, etc. Should there have been any internal resistence to the genocidal policies of these governments...and would you assist or condemn those who resisted this government sponsored genocide? A current example is Sudan and the routine extermination of Christians in the southern part of the country.

To me, vigilantism, as a principle, is generally wrong. However, as a practical matter, depending on the nature and tone of the law(s) and how it is (they are) enforced, vigilantism can be morally correct, even if legally punishable.

The “law” was added to show sin for what it is (by God). If man’s laws do not reflect the laws of God, they can be, and often are, evil in themselves. Following, or hiding behind, unjust laws will be no excuse for disobeying God when Judgment Day comes.

As a point of correction, I understand Tiller was passing out bulletins and not in the sanctuary of his church, so I cannot make sense of your assertion that “Tiller’s murder was in the holiest part of the church.” I view each individual as either an actual or potential temple of the Holy Spirit, so I disagree with your emphasis there was something especially egregious about Tiller’s killer acting in a church foyer as compared with ANYWHERE else. Perhaps you can clarify your point by elaborating on where Tiller’s killing would have been more acceptable (or less heinous).


47 posted on 06/03/2009 5:10:16 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: srweaver
Oh, grow up. I'm not offended by "sincere, honest debate". I've been a long time poster here. Your arrogant suggestion that perhaps I should keep to myself demonstrates your insincerity and dishonesty. Honesty is based on respect, and it is clear that you don't respect anyone else's opinion that differs with yours. If you don't like what I or anyone else post then why engage. It is easy to talk about being pro-life, and hold that as a philosophical position...... The governments that you mentioned were totalitarian. You are not living under, nor fighting totalitarianism. Have you ever lived under such a regime? I think not. I am a veteran (US Army) who has stood against totalitarian regimes. Hopefully that answers what I would do. But once I took off the uniform I didn't give up the fight for America and her values. I have logged over 700 rallies. I do two each week. What about you? My view on where the murder took place was based on hearing that he was at church. I believed that to mean in the worship area. I stand by what I said. The changers that Jesus drove out weren't in the vestibule or foryer. Have you ever seen the layout of an acient temple? Might be a good project. If you don't think Let's look at this a couple of other ways. What part of a church do you consider sacred? By your statement, it seems none. Do you think it was appropriate to worshipers, some might have been children, and some were probably elderly, to be forever scared by this act of violence? Some of these folks are fellow pro-lifers. They might not have agreed with Tiller. Heck, I'll bet that some didn't know who he was. So should they be punished for his evil? BTW, God decided after the flood that he would never do such a thing again. Are you the judge of which of man's laws to obey? So what have you done to protect the unborn? Do you wish to blow up clinics? Commit murder? Overthrow the government?
48 posted on 06/04/2009 2:28:17 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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