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Fears for 228 as Air France jet vanishes
CNN ^ | June 1, 2009

Posted on 06/01/2009 3:50:07 AM PDT by rdl6989

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To: Texas4ever

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HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO A HUGE PLANE LIKE THAT? TRACKING DEVICES? HEAT SCANNERS....THOSE STINKEN THINGS PEOPLE USE AT THE BEACH....METAL DETECTORS....COME ON PEOPLE
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Perhaps you could immediately come to their aide. And quick!It must grow tiresome always being the smartest guy in the room.

Good luck,

SkyShot.


121 posted on 06/01/2009 8:26:13 AM PDT by SkyShot (I wouldn't let Tim Geithner watch my money on TV)
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To: ichabod1
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My thoughts exactly!

122 posted on 06/01/2009 8:26:19 AM PDT by poindexters brother
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To: Scotswife

I promise, I wasn’t behaving poorly. :)

I think I just heard him talking about it behind me. It was a beautiful sight to see the night storm in the distance, but I had a knot in my stomach about what would happen if it hit the plane.

Oh well, that’s what I get for believing a teenager, but in that instance, ignorance truly was bliss!


123 posted on 06/01/2009 8:26:43 AM PDT by davandbar
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To: ichabod1

LOL!

The French are going to have to go to London and find Daniel’s mother.


124 posted on 06/01/2009 8:27:34 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: davandbar

I had the pleasure of flying into JFK while hurricane Floyd was hitting Florida.

I’ve never experienced anything like it.

I’m sure my neighbor to the right of me was real pleased to watch me crush my water bottle.


125 posted on 06/01/2009 8:29:22 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: davandbar
a teenager behind me pointed out that lightning will not damage a plane in the air because it is not grounded. So, it will pass through, but no damage will occur.

I believe this is mostly true. People and equipment inside the aircraft are not in danger. The metal skin of the aircraft conducts lightning around, but not through the interior. However, because of the high temperature of lightening, the point where the lightening enters and then exits the skin of the aircraft may suffer some damage.

126 posted on 06/01/2009 8:31:55 AM PDT by poindexters brother
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“vanished from radar”

Is there even radar coverage in that area? I doubt it. I’ve heard a report that it failed to show up on the Cape Verde or Senegal radar as scheduled. That would be a more accurate description.


127 posted on 06/01/2009 8:32:17 AM PDT by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Air France told CNN the jet was traveling from Rio de Janeiro to Charles de Gaulle airport in Paris when contact was lost. The airline said flight AF447 was carrying 216 passengers in addition to a crew of 12. The plane is listed as an Airbus A330.
This wouldn't have happened if Israel would have stopped building settlements.
128 posted on 06/01/2009 8:33:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Scotswife

WAS IT FULL OR EMPTY? But seriously, how terrifying for you!


129 posted on 06/01/2009 8:33:43 AM PDT by davandbar
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To: davandbar

For one thing a lot of aircraft now have various composites, not metal, in their outer skins, that don’t conduct as well.

Aircraft are designed and tested to survive general lightning. However these rare positive strokes are a whole different animal, and it was only recently it was understood how incredibly powerful they are.


130 posted on 06/01/2009 8:34:27 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: SkyShot
ok really? A little sarc....people are acting like it disappeared never to be found...aliens or something...we have been here before.
131 posted on 06/01/2009 8:34:56 AM PDT by Texas4ever (God is Good!)
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To: davandbar

There was a little left in the bottom of the bottle - the good ‘ole days when you could still carry a drink on the plane.


132 posted on 06/01/2009 8:35:52 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: ml/nj

Yes, and a passenger commented the Capt came out of the cockpit with the aircraft log under his arm.

I know I would have more important things to do If I had just taken my plane into the river... like check my passengers are off safely! Only reason to grab the logbook is if there was a previous write up I was unhappy about. Like the dual engine power reduction on the previous week, same airplane tail number!


133 posted on 06/01/2009 8:37:05 AM PDT by AmericanDave (Party like it is 1773...!!!)
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To: poindexters brother

That makes a lot of sense - thanks for the explanation!


134 posted on 06/01/2009 8:37:23 AM PDT by davandbar
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To: Moose4
The ELT (406 MHz since Feb 09), especially for transoceanic flight, is monitored by the Cospas-Sarsat SAR (Search and Rescue) satellite. There's six satellite, and they are spaced near the equator in low earth orbit nearly 100 minutes "apart" and may take 2-3 sweeps to get a positive location.

If they were 200-300 miles off coast, they may have already switched to HF radio (that is, out of normal VHF radio contact range). HF radio is very sensitive to atmospheric disturbances like lighting.

As far as the maintenance or dispatch datalink, I'm not sure if the Airbus datalink system works while out of VHF radio range. Even if it does (using satellite for relay), if the failures were quick and catastrophic, there may have only been 1-2 transmissions before communications stopped (primary, auxiliary and emergency electrical power loss).

And yes -- having done SAR searches over the ocean, it's amazing how the ocean can swallow up a large plane leaving almost no trace and no debris until it washes up on shore days later.

Most ELTs are salt-water activated. If the aircraft is in the drink, in pieces or intact, it may take a few hours to even know that for sure and then get a positive search grid to relay to search teams ...

135 posted on 06/01/2009 8:37:55 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: NavyCanDo

Ohh dude....


136 posted on 06/01/2009 8:40:05 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: Texas4ever

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time to update those little black boxes..they never work!

>>

More gems from one of the world’s authorities on the subject.


137 posted on 06/01/2009 8:41:32 AM PDT by SkyShot (I wouldn't let Tim Geithner watch my money on TV)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

How can they not have GPS beacons on these things?


138 posted on 06/01/2009 8:42:04 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: BP2

Thank you for that post.


139 posted on 06/01/2009 8:43:48 AM PDT by VaBthang4 (Too many FReepers whine too damn much. Your kneejerk contrarianism is not Conservative.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Interesting. Another depiction of the routing had it overflying Brazil for quite a ways, coasting out over the area of the coastline that turns back towards the Northwest.


140 posted on 06/01/2009 8:48:10 AM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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