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To: P-Marlowe
They are as morally culpable as Tiller in his serial murders in the same way that all of us who called him a cold-blooded murderer before he was killed are morally culpable in his death.

You are a very confused person. They are celebrating the life of a serial murderer on the basis of the murders he committed. Those of us (myself included) who have called Tiller a murderer are stating an objective truth regarding his actions. Calling the man a murderer is not a defacto call for his murder.

Equating support of murder to the calling out of a murderer is the most far-fetched moral relativism I think I have ever heard.

92 posted on 05/31/2009 5:23:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: TigersEye
You are a very confused person.

I am conflicted.

I have for years considered that Abortion is murder, and yet I have not acted in a manner consistent with that belief. If I truly believed it, I would spend every waking moment standing in front of abortion clinics and laying my life down to protect the unborn.

Obviously in my heart of hearts, I don't consider it murder. Neither do most people who call it murder. We must be deluding ourselves. It's something bad, but it can't be murder. We simply don't act as if it is.

It goes on all around us and we go to work and go golfing and we go to movies and when some whack job takes an action to actually stop it, to actually act as if Abortion were REALLY murder, we get all huffy and call his act "heinous" and condemn him for taking the law into his own hands, etc.

Well all of us who called Tiller a murderer, but were unwilling to do all that we could to stop him are culpable in some way for molding the mind of the man who actually did.

Words have meaning and words have consequences.

104 posted on 05/31/2009 5:46:15 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: TigersEye

IN MEMORY OF MOTHER TERESA
http://www.gargaro.com/mother_teresa/quotes.html

“America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships.

It has aggravated the derogation of the father’s role in an increasingly fatherless society. It has portrayed the greatest of gifts — a child — as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience.

It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered dominion over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters

And, in granting this unconscionable power, it has exposed many women to unjust and selfish demands from their husbands or other sexual partners.

Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government.

They are every human being’s entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign.” (Mother Theresa — “Notable and Quotable,” Wall Street Journal, 2/25/94, p. A14)

“But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child - a direct killing of the innocent child - murder by the mother herself. And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?

How do we persuade a woman not to have an abortion? As always, we must persuade her with love, and we remind ourselves that love means to be willing to give until it hurts. Jesus gave even his life to love us. So the mother who is thinking of abortion, should be helped to love - that is, to give until it hurts her plans, or her free time, to respect the life of her child.

The father of that child, whoever he is, must also give until it hurts. By abortion, the mother does not learn to love, but kills even her own child to solve her problems. And by abortion, the father is told that he does not have to take any responsibility at all for the child he has brought into the world. That father is likely to put other women into the same trouble. So abortion just leads to more abortion.

Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching the people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. That is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion. “

“Please don’t kill the child. I want the child. Please give me the child. I am willing to accept any child who would be aborted, and to give that child to a married couple who will love the child, and be loved by the child. From our children’s home in Calcutta alone, we have saved over 3,000 children from abortions. These children have brought such love and joy to their adopting parents, and have grown up so full of love and joy!”

February 1997 - National Prayer Breakfast in Washington attended by the President and the First Lady. “What is taking place in America,” she said, “is a war against the child. And if we accept that the mother can kill her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another.”

“Any country that accepts abortion, is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what it wants.” “It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”


115 posted on 05/31/2009 9:31:57 PM PDT by victim soul
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