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To: betty boop

“Do you think the Sons of Liberty, the original American Patriots, were “terrorists?” Or “vigilantes?”

Now, now - you just used the ‘t’ and the ‘v’ word after making them strictly off limits to me...lol...:)
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“The Sons of Liberty probably had the sympathies of something less than 20 percent of the total population in 1775.”

That’s way, way more than Roeder ever had. Name one local or national pro-life leader that publicly supports what Roeder did.
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“it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.”

The very fact that these recognized colonial leaders deliberated, wrote and agitated to stir up sympathies, etc., leads us to ask about this greatly stretched analogy - what along these lines could Roeder have claimed to do?

*Was he a leader of a movement?
*As such did he stir up sympathies toward his take on the cause?
*Did he have reason to suspect that a much broader swath of the pro-life masses would join with him in his just fight, and be willing to pick up arms and lay down their lives for it?

None of this rings true with Roeder, and as I told xzins, this is where that analogy breaks down completely.

No, the Patriots weren’t ‘Ts’ or ‘Vs’ in that they were deliberately sanctioned by a wide swath of the American public, which while perhaps not a majority at first, grew to encompass a victory over the British crown.


556 posted on 06/03/2009 3:27:04 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the BIGOTS in the enemedia.])
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To: SeattleBruce; Alamo-Girl; wmfights; P-Marlowe; metmom; YHAOS; hosepipe
*Was he a leader of a movement?
*As such did he stir up sympathies toward his take on the cause?
*Did he have reason to suspect that a much broader swath of the pro-life masses would join with him in his just fight, and be willing to pick up arms and lay down their lives for it?

No, no, and no.

Very little is known of him — he's being kept under very tight wraps. Yet from what little is known, one surmises that Roeder is a very private man who ended up doing a very public thing. One senses he was acting out of conscience, imagining that he alone would pay the inevitable price. And for whatever reason, he was willing to bear that price. Whatever it is to be.

This strikes me as being something very like what the Framers had in mind when they pledged "their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor" to the cause of Liberty. Only Roeder evidently has staked his ground on Life.

557 posted on 06/03/2009 6:22:47 PM PDT by betty boop (Tyranny is always whimsical. — Mark Steyn)
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