Report: George Tiller Shot To Death [Child Murderer Killed At Wichita Church]

KMBC ^ | May 31, 2009

[upchuck]

WICHITA, Kan. -- Dr. George Tiller, a Kansas man who became one of the most famous figures in the national debate over abortion, was shot and killed at his church Sunday morning, KAKE-TV reported.

Tiller was walking into Reformation Lutheran Church at 10:03 a.m., when he was shot.

Tiller was pronounced dead when emergency crews arrived, the station reported.

Police were looking for a blue Ford Taurus with a K-State vanity plate, license number 225 BAB. Police described him as a white male in his 50's or 60's, 6'1," 220 lbs, wearing a white shirt and dark pants.

[Wallace T.]

I agree with your definition of murder except for the term, "innocent". It is not the role of a private individual to make such judgments. This is the role of the civil magistrate, not an individual without authority to do so. There is no problem with killing another person in self-defense or in protection of other people when they are imminently threatened with death or injury. Jesus Christ said in Luke 22:36: "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one." The sole purpose of the sword is protecting self and property, not acting as a self-appointed executioner.

Besides, the murder of Tiller did not prevent one abortion. His death will not stope even one of some 1.5 million babies from being killed by abortionists this year. If anything, the act of unauthorized vengeance will be counterproductive, for even if the Left is unsuccessful in using his death to push pro-abort and anti-Christian legislation, it will persuade many people to reject the pro-life argument. If abortion is ever to end in this country, we need to win the hearts and minds of the opponents and the uncommitted.

[nufsed]

You don't know how many murders his death will prevent. Given the small number of doctors willing to murder babies in their third tri-mester, I would assume it would prevent some murders.

If the third tri-mester fetus cannot be called an innocent life, who can?

I did ask the moral question, do we not have an obligation to prevent those murders?

[Wallace T.]

It is possible that the murder of Tiller will persuade abortionists from murdering babies in the third trimester. However, this was the first murder of an abortionist in a decade. Abortionists have a higher risk of death or injury from driving from their home to the abortion facility. They probably also have a higher risk of death or injury through infections incurred while at work. Assassination is just not a high risk.

As to the question of what obligation exists to prevent murder via abortion, that obligation stands in conflict with other requirements, such as those to be responsible to your family, to obey the civil authorities, and to live peaceably in society, among others.

The first point is that no one, not even those in authority, can absolutely abolish abortion. Were abortion to be outlawed tomorrow entirely in all 50 states, abortions will continue to occur. There were plenty of underground abortionists pre-Roe v. Wade; for example, Frank Sinatra's mother was an abortionist in New Jersey during the 1930s. All 50 states have laws against murder, rape, and robbery, yet these crimes happen. Until the Second Coming, these crimes will continue to occur.

The second point is that when you commit an act of murder to kill an abortionist, you will likely go to jail for a long time and in some states, you will be sent to the execution chamber. A person who does so will be unable to support his parents, his spouse, or his children. He may be in violation of the Fifth Commandment, if his parents need support, and of 1 Timothy 5:8 which tells us, "But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever." (ESV)

The third point is that punishment of wrongdoing is the role of the civil magistrate, not a self-appointed vigilante. I have dwelt on this point at length previously. The fact that government has failed to protect the lives of the unborn does not justify a violation of the Sixth Commandment.

The fourth point is that we are to live peaceably in society. Romans 12:18 states, "If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men." (NASB) As Matthew Henry states in his commentary: "...if our enemies are not melted by persevering kindness, we are not to seek vengeance; they will be consumed by the fiery wrath of that God to whom vengeance belongeth." Committing an act of violence outside of the realm of self-protection or of Biblical duties to protect family and country stands outside this command.

In summary, while we are obliged to help our neighbor, such obligation does not supercede other Biblical obligations, such as obedience to authority, duty to family, and a life at peace.

[nufsed]

How do you live peacefully in a society where babies are being klled by the tens of thousands? It's like living down the road from the concentration camp and saying nothing, because it would disrupt local law and order. It's more an act of moral cowardice than adherence to law.

The fact that you cannot entirely abolish abortion in no way would free us from the obligation of trying and doing what we could.

I ask you again. Why is it murder to kill a murderer who will continue to murder.

I must fall back on my Nazi analogy. A civil magistrate who is culpable in the murders by ommission or negligence should not and must not be relied upon to stop the murder. They have shown they cannot do the right thing. So who is left to stop the slaughter?