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Bond Vigilantes Undercut Gov
The Big Money ^ | Saturday, May 30, 2009 - 6:53am | Sara Behunek

Posted on 05/30/2009 11:58:52 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Bond vigilantes—investors who, in protest to the government's monetary or fiscal policies policy, sell bonds to purposely drive up yield on U.S. debt—are back after 15 years of remaining on the low-down, according to Bloomberg. Higher yields mean higher interest costs for the government, making the cost of borrowing more expensive and throwing the proverbial wrench in Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke's efforts to keep borrowing costs low for consumers and businesses while also trying to jolt the economy. The 10-year Treasury yield has risen 1.4 percent this year, pushing interest rates on 30-year fixed mortgages to more than 5 percent. Edward Yardeni, who coined the vigilante term bond vigilante in 1984 and now runs Yardeni Research Inc. in Great Neck, N.Y., says they are "up in arms over the outlook for the federal deficit," which has quadrupled under President Barack Obama to $1.85 trillion. He adds that Washington is "out of control" and lacked "fiscal discipline."

The vigilante's outrage comes from a long-term perspective. For now, consumers prices remain low—in the past year, they've fallen 0.7 percent, their biggest decline since 1955—but bond guru Bill Gross, the co-chief investment officer of Pacific Investment Management Co. and manager of the world's largest bond fund, has said all the cash being pumped into the economy could cause inflation to accelerate to 3 percent to 4 percent in three years, surpassing the Fed's "preferred range" of 1.7 percent to 2 percent.

Reuters, taking the alarmist road, says because of the increasingly high yields, the "global financial crisis may morph into a second, equally virulent phase where borrowing costs rise again, hobbling an embryonic economic recovery, debilitating cash-strapped banks, and punishing investors all over again."

(Excerpt) Read more at thebigmoney.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: bailoutnation; bonds; bondvigilantes; economy; obama; yardeni
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1 posted on 05/30/2009 11:58:52 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: csense; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; tubebender; Fred Nerks; Allegra; thackney; blam; ...

Will this slow down the Obama juggernaut...?


2 posted on 05/31/2009 12:00:41 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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From Reuters....FR Thread:

Hedge funds worried Obama moves could backfire

3 posted on 05/31/2009 12:05:48 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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***************************EXCERPT **************************

"It is a very bad idea for governments to create arbitrary and unfair outcomes, or outcomes resulting from the passions and whims of the government rather than from the law, just because they have the power to do so," said Paul Singer of hedge fund Elliott Management.

4 posted on 05/31/2009 12:07:10 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Most important to note, what raising interest rates will do to the O’Budget.

It will sink us into a unbearable debt.


5 posted on 05/31/2009 12:12:23 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“Bond vigilantes”.... Unreal.


6 posted on 05/31/2009 12:18:30 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The Obama juggernaut will stretch the current crisis out for decades. The fact that you’re hearing rumors about another crisis illustrates that the new elite doesn’t believe their own bullshit.


7 posted on 05/31/2009 12:27:21 AM PDT by dr_who
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These people may be our only hope to stop Obama. May God be with them.


8 posted on 05/31/2009 3:20:10 AM PDT by ground_fog
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Three years of resets on prime and alt-A mortgages are about to begin and rates are headed up !

This time .gov can't save the remaining banks from massive CDS claims, $91 trillion for JP Morgan alone.

Ironically we won't need the banks when the Federal Reserve system resets to zero.

9 posted on 05/31/2009 3:27:42 AM PDT by Vet_6780 ("I see debt people")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Seriously, what did they expect? You cannot borrow your way out of debt. The resulting borrowing MUST drive up interest costs. Go back to Econ-101.

For Bernanke and his ilk to attempt another New Deal rescue (the Raw Deal) is to invite runaway inflation, a dramatic run up in interest rates for ALL borrowers, and generations of Americans saddled with foolhardy debt that should have been avoided at all costs.

It’s time to take back the country.


10 posted on 05/31/2009 4:17:00 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Truly ridiculous to think that a few protesters could drive up the interest rates on bonds. However, markets could do this, simply because almost-no-interest bonds are not worth it.

All we need is the beginning of creeping inflation, and bond-holders may begin to see that their money is losing value tied up in bonds. They are getting negative interest, in effect; and yet the nominal interest they collect is in inflated dollars, and gets taxed. It is no bargain. Many will decide that it is better just to have the money, and spend it on real items as soon as possible. This will feed the inflation.

Combine this effect with the fact that most American employees have “service sector” jobs which don’t really do anything vital, and you have a perfect storm for rising unemployment and inflation, like Carter’s “stagflation,” or a eventually like Zimbabwe.

The Zimbabwe example may be extreme, but there are even leadership similarities. Mugabe worsened the situation by demonizing white farmers and expropriating their land. 0 attacks “selfish speculators” (investors), and leaves them with 10 cents on the dollar or less, turning over huge companies to the unions which ruined them in the first place.


11 posted on 05/31/2009 4:26:39 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The vigilante’s outrage comes from a long-term perspective. For now, consumers prices remain low—in the past year, they’ve fallen 0.7 percent, their biggest decline since 1955


Yeah, that is one way of looking at it. Of course, the inflation rate prior to Sept 2008 was likely double digits. So a small pullback is no big deal. And the Government uses that as an excuse to disallow pay raises and pay no interest on I-Bonds.


12 posted on 05/31/2009 4:38:12 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Bond Vigilantes Undercut Government? Quite the contrary!

Big government that knows no restraint on printing fiat money and spending it on non-economic projects undercuts sound government.

People who have a full understanding of the economic consequences of government action, and who act on their more clear thinking, are the vigilant heroes here.

There would be no play here at all if our government was setting the standard of behavior instead of seeing how far it could stretch the debt and spend envelope.

13 posted on 05/31/2009 4:52:05 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: docbnj
The Zimbabwe example may be extreme, but there are even leadership similarities. Mugabe worsened the situation by demonizing white farmers and expropriating their land. 0 attacks “selfish speculators” (investors), and leaves them with 10 cents on the dollar or less, turning over huge companies to the unions which ruined them in the first place.

Excellent point.

Mugabe-"You white guys. Gimme the farms so my War Veterans can run them into the ground".

Obama-"You GM and Chrysler stock and bond holders. Gimme the companies so my UAW buddies can run them into the ground".

14 posted on 05/31/2009 5:15:41 AM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

they are “up in arms over the outlook for the federal deficit,” which has quadrupled under President Barack Obama to $1.85 trillion

“up in arms..”

‘inflammatory’ reporting? 8-* (censor tapping finger on table)

I’ll take Truth and Justice over Hope and Change anyday... and a good yield on a bond if I can get it.


15 posted on 05/31/2009 8:44:47 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Bond vigilantes -- investors who, in protest to the government's monetary or fiscal policies policy, sell bonds to purposely drive up yield on U.S. debt -- are back after 15 years of remaining on the low-down, according to Bloomberg. Higher yields mean higher interest costs for the government, making the cost of borrowing more expensive and throwing the proverbial wrench in Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke's efforts to keep borrowing costs low for consumers and businesses while also trying to jolt the economy.
It's a little thing the Obamabots have never heard of -- the law of supply and demand. If they want lower rates, they need to not overspend to the tune of $8,219,178,082 a DAY.
16 posted on 05/31/2009 9:28:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Higher yields mean higher interest costs for the government, making the cost of borrowing more expensive and throwing the proverbial wrench in Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke's efforts to keep borrowing costs low for consumers and businesses while also trying to jolt the economy."
Perhaps the question should be. Will this move by these BV's accelerate our downfall. It most certainly looks as if at the least it is going to have a profound negative effect on our economy, and the health of business at large.
17 posted on 05/31/2009 3:58:12 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (I still believe Duncan Hunter would have been the best solution... during this interim in time....)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Might be enough to get rid of some of the Dem’s....course they will say the Business Guys are the Bad Guys!


18 posted on 05/31/2009 5:17:23 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Now that it is apparent that this administration will go out of its way to screw bondholder, it should be obvious that they will demand much higher premiums in consideration to the greater risk.

Obama's little "gift" to the UAW will end up costing the economy billions.

19 posted on 05/31/2009 6:28:22 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Lurker; SunkenCiv
Bond Vigilantes Confront Obama as Housing Falters - May 29, 2009

Obama Losing Bond Vigilantes’ Votes, Yardeni Says - May 29, 2009

Zoellick Warns Stimulus 'Sugar High' Won’t Stem Unemployment - May 30, 2009


20 posted on 05/31/2009 11:09:56 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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