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Drowning, not waving?(premature excitement over green shoots)
Economist ^ | 05/29/09

Posted on 05/30/2009 1:42:57 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Drowning, not waving?

May 29th 2009

From Economist.com

Don't get too excited about some recent brighter economic news

IT HAS been a cheerful couple of days for those starved of bright economic news. Hopeful statistics have been trickling in from many parts of the world. On Friday May 29th revised first quarter GDP figures for America showed that the economy there had contracted slightly less than had earlier been reported. In addition durable-goods orders in the country rose by the most in 16 months. In Japan, factory output rose by 5.2% in April, the biggest monthly increase, in percentage terms, in over half a century. And in the first quarter India’s economy grew by a bullish 5.8%, compared with a year before, while South Korea’s industrial production continued to rise in April.

Even in gloomy Europe there are encouraging signs. Poland’s GDP ticked up by 0.8% in the first quarter, as did German private consumption (in the same period) and retail sales also grew, by 0.5%, in April. British consumer confidence remained steady in April, and house prices there rose both in March and May, according to one index.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: expectation; recovery

1 posted on 05/30/2009 1:42:57 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; PAR35; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; MadLibDisease; happygrl; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 05/30/2009 1:43:24 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Funny how that works with the news media. Under Bush, when the GDP expanded at a lower rate than expected, the lead story was ‘recession!’.
Under Obumble, when the GDP shrinks at a lower rate, the press touts, ‘Happy Days Are Here Again’.

Democracy is bleeding to death in front of our eyes and the GOP counts its silver....


3 posted on 05/30/2009 3:39:47 AM PDT by ArtDodger (Reread Animal Farm (with your kids))
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Concerning “Green Shoots”, from The Baltimore Chronicle:


Daily the corporate media trumpet them (green shoots) to lull the unwary into believing the global economic crisis is ebbing and recovery is on the way. Not according to longtime market analyst Bob Chapman who calls green shoots “Poison Ivy” and economist Nouriel Roubini saying they’re “yellow weeds” at a time there’s lots more pain ahead.

For many months and in a recent commentary he refers to “the worst financial crisis, economic crisis and recession since the Great Depression....the consensus is now becoming optimistic again and says that we are going to go from minus 6 percent growth to positive growth in the second half of the year....my views are much more bearish....The problems of the financial system are severe. Many banks are still insolvent.”

We’re “piling public debt on top of private debt to socialize the losses; and at some point the back of (the) government(’s) balance sheet is going to break, and if that happens, it’s going to be a disaster.” Short of that, he, Chapman, and others see the risks going forward as daunting. As for the recent stock market rise, they both call it a “sucker’s rally” that will reverse as the US economy keeps contracting and the financial system suffers unexpected or manipulated shocks.

Highly respected market analyst Louise Yamada agrees. As Randall Forsyth reported in the May 25 issue of Barron’s Up and Down Wall Street column:

“It is almost uncanny the degree to which 2002-08 has tracked 1932-38, ‘Yamada writes in her latest note to clients.’ “ Her “Alternate Hypothesis” compares this structural bear market to 1929-42:

* “the dot-com collapse parallels the Great Crash and its aftermath,” followed by the 2003-07 recovery, similar to 1933-37;
* then the late 2008 - early March 2009 collapse tracks a similar 1937-38 trajectory, after which a strong rally followed much like today;
* then in November 1938, the market dropped 22% followed by a 26% rise and a series of further ups and downs - down 28%, up 23%, down 16%, up 13%, and a final 29% decline ending in 1942;
* from the 1938 high (”analogous to where we are now,” she says), stock prices fell 41% to a final bottom.

Are we at one today as market touts claim? No according to Yamada - top-ranked among her peers in 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004 when she worked at Citigroup’s Smith Barney division. Since 2005, she’s headed her own independent research company.

She says structural bear markets typically last 13 - 16 years so this one has a long way to go before “complet(ing) the repair process.” She calls the current rebound “a bungee jump,” very typical of bear markets. Numerous ones occurred during the Great Depression, 8 alone from 1929 - 1932, some deceptively strong.

Expect market manipulators today to produce similar price action going forward - to enrich themselves while trampling on the unwary, well-advised to protect their dollars from becoming quarters or dimes.


4 posted on 05/30/2009 4:18:19 AM PDT by jsh3180
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The Presshole/Socialist establishment is trying to get the US sheeple to accept 10% unemployment and zero growth rate as “normal”. This is “normal” for a socialist country, get with the program FReepers. Resistance is futile...


5 posted on 05/30/2009 4:24:57 AM PDT by central_va (www.15thVirginia.org Co. C, Patrick Henry Rifles)
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To: central_va

.....Resistance is futile......

Add “Peaceful” and the statement is true


6 posted on 05/30/2009 4:27:13 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Crucify ! Crucify ! Crucify him!!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Some of the old heads of Wall St. were on CNBC’s morning show yesterday making the point that the current market rally which is solely predicated on the rising “consumer confidence” report is bogus because that report is a result of all the cheer leading that the press is doing on behalf of the Obama administration. There is no improvement in the real economic numbers, but the press-generated “echo chamber” is responsible for the fake rally of the stock market this week.
When smart money is going into gold and commodities such as oil and the dollar is cratering, there should be no delusion that the “green shoots” spotted by BO and his propaganda machine are for real. There were several major stock market rallies in the middle of the Great Depression.


7 posted on 05/30/2009 4:49:56 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: central_va

“Presshole,” as in “Dan Rather, Katie Couric, pressholes.” I like that a lot!


8 posted on 05/30/2009 6:19:12 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (Patriotism to DemocRats is like sunlight to Dracula.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Whar’s green shoots, killing environmentalists?


9 posted on 05/30/2009 6:23:11 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70

They are all “presstitutes”. To bad “presstitution” isn’t illegal, the major pimps CBSABCNBCCNN would be out of business.


10 posted on 05/30/2009 6:36:30 AM PDT by central_va (www.15thVirginia.org Co. C, Patrick Henry Rifles)
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To: dalereed
Whar’s green shoots, killing environmentalists?

I hope posting this isn't a hate-crime yet.

11 posted on 05/30/2009 6:42:25 AM PDT by Dosa26
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To: ArtDodger
Under Bush, when the GDP expanded at a lower rate than expected, the lead story was ‘recession!’.

Under Obumble, when the GDP shrinks at a lower rate, the press touts, ‘Happy Days Are Here Again’.

You are RIGHT!

12 posted on 05/30/2009 4:30:39 PM PDT by GOPJ (To a community organizer, every citizen looks like a victim entitled to someone else's money-Philbin)
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