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(U.S. Supreme Court) Justices to decide if vets can be honored with cross
Washington Times ^ | Monday, May 25, 2009 | Washington Times

Posted on 05/25/2009 2:42:41 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2

Some see it as the universal symbol of sacrifice in World War I, others see it as the undisputed sign of Christianity, but it will be up to the Supreme Court to make a final determination as to whether a 7-foot cross remains standing in a California desert to memorialize war veterans.

The cross was first erected in 1934 in what is now the federally protected Mojave Desert Preserve by a group of veterans whose doctors advised them that the desert heat would help them recover from shell shock.

Veterans today say this war memorial and others like it across the country that use religious symbols are under attack by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). *

"They are not the enemy; they are just dead wrong," says Joe Davis, spokesman for the Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW).

But the civil liberties group says the cross is offensive to Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim and other non-Christian veterans.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antiamerican; cross; godhaters; lawsuit; luciferliberals; mojavedesert; publicsquare; purge; satanlovers; scotus; veterans; vfw
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To: EDINVA
BTW, you are posting this misdirection to one who has read the entirety of Farrand's Records and posted scholarly articles on the drafting of the Constitution here on FR on more than one occasion. The drafting of the Declaration had virtually nothing to do with the construction of our system of limited government in the Federal Convention.

The point remains that the educated class in the colonies in those days were steeped in both the Old and New Testaments.

Your point had nothing whatever to do with the purpose of my original post. The poster of the article had said that the our system of government has Christian origins, only thereafter saying that Christianity had Jewish origins. This is to misunderstand the Enlightenment entirely (to which I commend you to the writings of Peter Gay; you will note that his second volume on the topic is subtitled "The Rise of Modern PAGANISM" not "Christianity"). The attribution of American limited government to Christianity alone, besides being completely inaccurate, is also to understate the Jewish invention at at time where there had NEVER been a precedent. By the time the Constitution was drafted, the founders were working off several models, from Greece, to Rome, to Switzerland, and the Iraquois. Worse, the seeds of tyranny were set in our latter document from the day it was drafted. In terms of limited government, ours is but a shell of the Jewish original; there is no comparison.

Sadly, how that original system in the Torah was to have worked has gone misunderstood for over three thousand years; it has never been performed as originally intended. I am just completing a book on the topic as we write.

61 posted on 05/25/2009 10:09:46 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power with a passion for evil.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

“They’re not the enemy”

That’s part of the problem right there! They are the enemy.


62 posted on 05/26/2009 5:09:12 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: skr
Is it a huge stretch for those of non-Christian faiths or of no faith at all to see the cross as symbolic of sacrifice for others, based on what anyone can read about the crucifixion of Jesus?

Not for me. As a Jew, I love my faith, and see it as a historical precursor to Christianity. Christianity led the West into historical and economic dominance. I also recognize that America was founded as a Christian nation, and that has guided her way for 200 years (until the 1960s). I love my Christian brothers and sisters and rejoice in their faith. I am also an activist in keeping gay indoctrination out of our schools, and work on the school board level nationwide. I always find that Christian and not Jews are my best allies in this. i also find that Christians are better friends to Israel than many Jews, which disgusts me.

How can any Jew (or Hindu, Muslim, etc, as the absurd ACLU brief declares) be "offended" by a cross representing the vast majority of those men who have given their lives for their nation? Are we then to go to Normandy and remove all the crosses there as well? It is ridiculous, and un-American.

63 posted on 05/26/2009 6:49:28 AM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: Iam1ru1-2
If they're going to start elminating battlefieldcrosses, they certainly have their work cut out for them. Can one imagine the implications?


64 posted on 05/26/2009 8:18:39 AM PDT by americanophile
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To: rockabyebaby

Frankly, I’m offended by ACLU and all those idiots who’re offended by anything they don’t like. And I’m especially offended by all those people who wear the broken cross symbol on apparel. The left has morphed it into a peace symbol, but in the sixties when it first appeared it was an anti-Christian symbol.

I think it still is to the left, but they disguise their symbols, what they call themselves and their true objectives so as to deceive brain dead Americans.


65 posted on 05/26/2009 8:33:52 AM PDT by dools007
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To: markomalley; bigheadfred; xzins; lilycicero
Interesting, I've never seen most of those.

Curious, that Atheists would pick a triad of suppositories to represent their cult, but who am I to guess why.

I don't remember seeing a house of worship with that symbol anywhere though.

I suppose it would be difficult to erect a building that inspires one to pray to a void.

66 posted on 05/26/2009 9:50:33 AM PDT by 4woodenboats (Obama Voodoo economics - Thuggery, sleight of hand, temper tantrums & spitting on OUR dreams.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
There is no Constitutional right not to be offended.

While you are correct of course...that goes without saying! However, for the record, ALL liberals FEEL they have the Constitutional Right to not be offended (as well as at the same time to be offensive). It's genetic dontcha know! They were born with the 'offended' gene. Explains the Jewish persecution complex, gay marriage, or name your other offended/offensive whine of choice. Whereas, most conservatives don't even have the 'offended' gene, so it's difficult to empathize with a liberal most of the time! Unless there's beer involved, I usually just walk away.

67 posted on 05/26/2009 1:58:55 PM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: MissouriConservative
How about we submerge some ACLU lawyers in that 7 foot container of urine? I’d pay to see that “art” work.

Got that right. I'd even 'contribute'!

68 posted on 05/26/2009 4:29:21 PM PDT by OpeEdMunkey (We seem to have reached a critical mass of stupid people.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
The suit worked its way through the system and, in 2004, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the memorial violated the First Amendment clause forbidding an establishment of religion and ordered its removal.

How the hell does the erection of a cross in some desert establish a religion?

And furthermore if a state did somehow establish a religion, doesn't the first amendment clearly state: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...." .

69 posted on 05/26/2009 6:27:28 PM PDT by JPJones (bookreviews.2ya.com)
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