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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Whosoever
[ Truly I cannot imagine your having the kind of speculations that deny Who Christ IS or that would call evil, good or good, evil. ]

If christ is God?..
Then christ is unknowable..
since God has 3 or more iterations.. i.e. seven spirits of God..

God is not to be known but experienced/obeyed.. i.e. "tell them I AM sent you"-Ex ch3..
Deducing good/evil is eating from the wrong tree..

Truely, some worship Jesus human body/flesh instead of his Spirit..
How can the Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit be one?..
It is(should be) quite easy for Spirits to be One.. not so human flesh..

I believe Jesus existed before his human flesh was conceived..
The Holy Spirit enlived "the protoplasm" with Gods "sons" spirit..
Being God it must be so.. Is Jesus Flesh or Spirit?.. is God carnal?..

Which brings me to the current problem/side bar..
Where did OUR spirits come from?..

Are "WE" flesh or spirit?.. Or is the flesh a metamorphic stage?..
Gotta admit.. its an interesting dilema/question/morphology..

Also; why did Jesus walk on water, go thru walls, appear in forms not easily recognized?..
Heal, read peoples minds, and any number of other strange events?..
Was it not to wean the deciples of carnality toward their spirit's?..

I think so..

Truely it is a matter of identification..
What do you identify with The flesh?.. or the spirit?..
Your whole world view lies in the matter..

Most I think try to merge the flesh and the spirit.. and make them one..

"God is Spirit and those that worship him MUST worship him in spirit".. a verse of scripture I believe.. Many try to worship God in the flesh.. because of identity, they identify with their flesh..

Which is OK with me because that is WHY? they here on this planet, to determine that.. Do you love the flesh or do you love the spirit/Spirit.. The Kingdom of God is in Spirit.. as far as I can determine..

77 posted on 05/26/2009 10:02:12 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe
The Kineman paper betty boop linked to asserts that matter has emerge from life. John's Gospel starts with the assertion that 'by were all things made, and without Him was nothing made' ... 'And the Word was with God and was God' ... 'In the beginning was the Word' ... [ 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1, KJV]
83 posted on 05/26/2009 4:59:44 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: hosepipe; betty boop; MHGinTN
Even if there were any basis for the belief in pre-mortal existence, it would be irrelevant.

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. - John 3:5-7

And again,

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. – John 1:12-13

No matter how one envisions its origin, the life/soul/spirit of a man is doomed unless he is born again in the Spirit.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. – Romans 8:9

And once he has been reborn in God, he is alive already with Christ in God and his previous life is dead.

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. - Colossians 3:3

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20

It's not about us, where we came from, how we were made - it is about God. We cannot die, not because of who we are, but because of Who He IS.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand. I and [my] Father are one. - John 10:27-30

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39

God's Name is I AM.

90 posted on 05/26/2009 9:49:48 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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