[BARLF]

You sent me to a video that has been shut down. If you want to prove your point you might at least send me to a working link.

I did my own digging and found this:

Democrats still have an unlikely ally in their fight to close the Guantanamo prison: 2008 GOP presidential nominee John McCain (Ariz.).

McCain said Wednesday that his longstanding belief that the prison should close has not changed, only that a plan is needed first.

"You have to have a comprehensive policy for the detainees," McCain said. "But there is a PR problem -- the image in the world, what it symbolizes in the world."

Inhofe said as far as he knows, McCain and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) are the only Republicans in the Senate who favor closing Guantanamo.

Did you read the link I sent that McCain doesn't want them here or tried in our courts? Your lopsided view about every thing McCain with no derogatory comments about the Muslim is revealing.

Our debate started because you posted a snarky remark about ( All those folks who voted for McCain last year. Have we had enough of the RINOs yet?)

As if we,voters for McCain were beneath you and dumb, in other words we should have voted for THE ONE.

That's 57,168,270 or 46% of 2008 voters you just flipped off as having no sense.

Again, you have not answered my simple question. I asked you a question based on your own statement. Will you be comfortable with losing thousands of our citizens as long as it is not in our name?

If and when another terrorist attack happens in our country,killing innocent people it will be obama's fault, not John McCain's.

[DoughtyOne]

You sent me to a video that has been shut down. If you want to prove your point you might at least send me to a working link.

2007/02/17 McCain states he will close Guantanamo Bay terrorist detainment center on his first day in office  Video  (same as date link on the left)  (Video removed from YouTube, but quote remains on this site.)

If I had never seen the video, I would agree with you.  I did see the video last fall and in it McCain says just what the quote says he did.  Beyond that, I warned you the video was no longer there.  Don't act like it was some big surprise or something.

I did my own digging and found this:

Democrats still have an unlikely ally in their fight to close the Guantanamo prison: 2008 GOP presidential nominee John McCain (Ariz.).

McCain said Wednesday that his longstanding belief that the prison should close has not changed, only that a plan is needed first.

Well, if he's saying this now, it's too late.  He said he would close it on January 20th, 2009.  If he doesn't have a plan yet, he looks rather idiotic.

"You have to have a comprehensive policy for the detainees," McCain said. "But there is a PR problem -- the image in the world, what it symbolizes in the world."

Most of the Western world doesn't have a death penalty.  Britain and Europe are allowing themselves to be overrun by Muslims.  Europe thinks Israel stands in the way of peace.  Europe thinks Russia is trustworthy enouogh to use them as a source for a major portion of their energy needs.  Europe thinks the International Criminal Court is an excellent idea.  Europe loves the United Nations.  Europe fought Ronald Reagan tooth an nail to prevent our deployment of defensive nuclear weapons there.  So John has a little problem getting his priorities straight.  We aren't Europe and Europe is never going to think we're doing the right thing on all issues.  We either have a backbone and do what we think is right or not.  McCain is ready to surrender our values.  I'm not.

Inhofe said as far as he knows, McCain and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) are the only Republicans in the Senate who favor closing Guantanamo.

Sounds about right.

Did you read the link I sent that McCain doesn't want them here or tried in our courts? Your lopsided view about every thing McCain with no derogatory comments about the Muslim is revealing.

I expect you to know what is wrong with Obama.  If you don't, then I think it becomes a whole lot clearer why you think McCain is just fine.  If you need me to lead you by the hand on that point, it pretty much confirms my premise regarding people who voted for McCain.

McCain states he still has no policy what to do with the detainess, yet he was going to release them on January 20th, 2009, and then he says I don't want them here or tried in our courts.  Wow, and you sucker for all this.  LOL

Our debate started because you posted a snarky remark about ( All those folks who voted for McCain last year. Have we had enough of the RINOs yet?)

As if we,voters for McCain were beneath you and dumb, in other words we should have voted for THE ONE.

Well I do think of people who voted for McCain as beneath me on that issue.  I make no appologies about that.  Your powers of reason are nil.  Not once have I stated that people should have voted for Obama.  I stated that I did not vote for Obama.  And yet you come to the conclusion that I am stating you should have voted for 'The One'.  And then you get upset when you think I look down on you.  Well...

Now, will you appologize for stating I said folks should have voted for Obama when I didn't do any such thing?

That's 57,168,270 or 46% of 2008 voters you just flipped off as having no sense.

Very impressive.  Well we have seen what McCain has done since election day, and you still haven't clue one.  There are people all over this forum stating they are sorry they voted for McCain.  Others state they are glad they didn't fall into that trap.  I'm one of them.

Again, you have not answered my simple question. I asked you a question based on your own statement. Will you be comfortable with losing thousands of our citizens as long as it is not in our name?

And again, you don't have the mental faculties to understand that on the biggest threats to our national security, McCain and Obama are of the same mind.

1. They both want to close Gitmo
2. Nobody will take the detaininees, so under Obama or McCain they would have to wind up in the U.S. if Gitmo is closed
3. Under either of these men, the detainees will get access to our courts if they are incarcerated in the U.S.
4. Both men intend to let upwards of 30,000 Saudi Nationals remain in the U.S. on student visas, which are easily abused
5. That means that under either man upwards of 1,500 terrorist cells the size of the combined total of the Islamic aderents who took down the twin towers, remain in the United States at this very moment...  tick... tick... tick... tick...
6. Both want to reduce our nuclear stockpile to the greatest extent they can
7. Obama cancelled the F22 and McCain clapped
8. Obama cancelled part of the missile defense system and McCain clapped
9.  I believe one of the preditor unmanned systems was also cut, and again McCain clapped.

Now, will you be happy losing thousands of our citizens, if it is a result of any of these items, that McCain either proposed to do himself or clapped when Obama did?

If and when another terrorist attack happens in our country,killing innocent people it will be obama's fault, not John McCain's.

Oh he'll get the credit.  And you know what, I'll be damned glad the Democrats will be tarnished with it, and not McCain the Republicans and more importantly the Conservatives.

And this despite the fact that Obama and McCain saw eye to eye on nearly all of this.