Posted on 05/22/2009 4:55:40 AM PDT by whatisthetruth
The Supreme Court may well be wrong in this case. But when you violate the implementation of a law, even if you think it is wrongly implemented, you are going to get arrested. When you resist arrest, the police will use force. Law enforcement officials do not have the power of judicial nullification.
Why of course they do. Every time a cop decides to make an arrest - or not - that's precisely what is happening.
And another thing. Go look at the videos from 1964 Birmingham and 1965 Selma and say to yourself that Bull Conner was just enforcing the law.
Thanks to all that corrected me on this.
If in fact he was stopped at an internal checkpoint I stand corrected.
I believe, however, that the supreme court found that it was not an infringement of one’s constitutional rights to have your vehicle searched at one of these checkpoints, so long as it is border patrol searching for illegals or drugs.
That said, I don’t agree with their finding.
I believe that the two incidents at the checkpoint took place about a month and a half apart.
>> Why of course they do. Every time a cop decides to make an arrest - or not - that’s precisely what is happening. <<
discretion in enforcement is not nullification.
>> And another thing. Go look at the videos from 1964 Birmingham and 1965 Selma and say to yourself that Bull Conner was just enforcing the law. <<
Uh, OK.
Bull Connor was a member in good standing of a domestic terrorist organization. That organization burned down schools and blew up churches in his jurisdiction, and he did nothing to prevent them from doing so, nor did he investigate the crimes. He falsely imprisoned people, going so far as to cite vagrancy when raiding people’s homes.
Was he just enforcing the law? No, he didn’t enforce it at all; he WAS the criminal.
The scenes of the attack dogs are meaningless outside of that context. Had they been a mob out to “protest” a Korean small business opening in their neighborhood, we wouldn’t be horrified at the abuse of power, we’d be complaining that incompetent enforcement tactics made a bad situation far more dangerous.
But what Americans saw wasn’t only police brutality, they saw the desperation that Bull Connor’s terrorist friends had driven the blacks of Birmingham to. They knew that the water cannons and the dogs weren’t to uphold the law, they were punish and terrorize.
A man declining to ride a bus doesn’t isn’t the interest of law enforcement and public safety officials. A man creating a mile-long back-up on an interstate highway, effectively shutting down a truck inspection station is.
A situation first precipitated by the cops. And why did they do it? Because they have a badge and a gun and the citizens don't. It's that simple.
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Tulsa World ^ | 05/23/2009 | Rhett Morgan
I have passed through one of these when my brother and I were driving from San Diego, CA to Austin, TX. They are actually on the interstate — I think we were on eastbound I-8 a few miles out of Yuma, AZ.
We were stopped a little after midnight — all traffic is stopped — and asked a quick question. As I recall it went something like this:
Us:(<pulling up, dropping to parking lights, opening drivers window) Good morning officer.
Border Patrol: Did you drop off/pick up any passengers on the highway (I don’t really remember the specifics)
Us: No officer, we are just heading to our parents house in Austin, TX from San Diego.
BP: Have a good day sir. (waves us on)
That was pretty much it. It was a permanent installation. Like a toll plaza with no tollbooths. I guess since we were about a mile or two north of the border they want to check traffic.
We were in a BMW, so that probably didn’t raise any suspicion, but if we were in a beat up panel van with no/tinted windows they probably would have been more inquisitive.
Note 2: I actually was surprised to pass through a California Agricultural Checkpoint on the way from Lake Tahoe to Sacramento. Apparently, you can’t take plants or some agricultural products into California unless the state Dept. of Ag you’re coming from certifies they are free of pests. I don’t know if other Freepers have experience with these checkpoints. Would they really confiscate your ficus tree or cactus plant?
There is room for reasonable debate about the merits and even legality of these internal checkpoints. His actions were not reasonable. He worked hard to earn everything that happened to him.
Those at the border crossing are not there to stop illegals. They are looking for drugs.
“Those at the border crossing are not there to stop illegals.”
Bull shit!!
“Would they really confiscate your ficus tree or cactus plant?”
Hell yes!
I think you missed my sarcasm. While enforcing our borders should be the #1 job of the Border Patrol, a simple look at the record shows they make far more drug arrests and investigations than for those trying to come across.
Also - the vast majority of illegals don’t cross at border crossings. That would kind of be like known felons buying guns at a retail gun store. Just doesn’t happen.
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