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To: ElayneJ
I’ll have to take you word for that, but “preventive detention” cannot - repeat CANNOT - be a good thing.

But we do it already.

Think convicted sex offenders deemed too dangerous to be released AFTER their sentences are done. The precedent is established. Have a nice future.

America -- a great idea, didn't last.

45 posted on 05/21/2009 8:24:07 AM PDT by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters | America -- a great idea, didn't last.)
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To: Clint Williams

But we do it already.

Think convicted sex offenders deemed too dangerous to be released AFTER their sentences are done.


Yep. We do it and it’s wrong, wrong, wrong. I guess people don’t get upset when the subject is sex offenders. And note how easily these charges can be made in the first place. It happened to a neighor - the only way he was cleared is that the accuser recanted. So if can happen to those accused of sex crimes, how long before this thinking spreads to “enemies of the state”?


79 posted on 05/21/2009 8:41:39 AM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: Clint Williams
Think convicted sex offenders deemed too dangerous to be released AFTER their sentences are done. The precedent is established.

That does not happen. Sex offenders (especially pedophiles) are the first to get out of legal trouble or the first to be let off with minimum sentence, the first to be released from prison, and sex offenders are the first in line to continue their crime spree after release.

Drug offenders are the ones that are deemed un-releasable and left in the prisons to rot, it happens all the time. People who are only a harm to themselves are punished more severely than people who are a danger to others.

176 posted on 05/21/2009 12:25:47 PM PDT by 08bil98z24 (The War on Drugs is a failure and is unconsitutional. Stop the madness now!!!)
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To: Clint Williams

OK, I don’t know ANY specific cases of the likes you are describing. However, in the case of a CONVICTED sex offender, you are dealing with someone who HAS committed a crime (and most likely it was a case involving serious offenses, or repeat offenders). I’m assuming that in the cases you are talking about after these people finish their sentences in jail, they are then sent to psychiatric hospitals because they are still considered a serious threat to themselves or others?

What Obama is suggesting IS very different... He is suggesting that the U.S. Government have the ability to incarcerate people BEFORE ANY crime has been committed, simply based upon the premise that they MIGHT be a threat - according to what standards? Who knows?

The other day there were posts mentioning 3 doctors who received letters from the BATFE that they were on some ‘list’ due to the amount of ammunition they had purchased recently... The first people — if he is so bold — that he will use this against, are the very people posting on this thread, and our fellow Conservatives...

I can’t believe I’m quoting a Kennedy here, but when Bobby Kennedy visited Chavez in CA the 2nd time regarding the farm workers’ strike there was a public hearing. Bobby challenged a sheriff who during the questioning admitted to arresting strikers who looked “ready to violate the law,” Kennedy then shot back, “May I suggest that during the luncheon period of time that the sheriff and the district attorney read the Constitution of the United States?” [Obama may wish to review that document, but it’s not like he doesn’t already know what’s in it — being a “Constitutional Lawyer” and all. Which means that he KNOWS his actions are NOT lawful - and that makes it all that much worse...]

If Obama is planning on using this “preventive detention” against U.S. Citizens it will be a direct violation of our Constitution, and all of our rights as citizens...

We already know WHO Obama will target within the US if he decides to trash the Constitution (even more than he has) and use this against the citizens. It will be people belonging to every group on that Gestapolitano document that we were all never supposed to see.

I just think there is a big difference in your example and what Obama may be suggesting here...


192 posted on 05/21/2009 1:11:24 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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